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<blockquote data-quote="youngbuck" data-source="post: 554433" data-attributes="member: 22987"><p>I'm not saying that most guys are the Bob Lee Swagger types who can make a 2000meter shot cold bore all day every day. I know there are much, much better shooters and wind readers than me on this site. I take pride in being able to put my bullet where I want it to go at the ranges I feel comfortable with consistently. I do not own a rifle capable of nor shoot good enough to tell you exactly where my 2nd shot will hit based solely on where my 1st shot hit. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I have a rifle that starts to string when it gets hot, I sight it in for 1st shot, POI (my 223WWSM strings towards 2:30 pretty bad when it is hot). It takes me a few trips, but that's how I do it.</p><p></p><p> If I have to shoot half a box of shells at animal to make a hit, I'm wasting a LOT of my time. If I wasn't confident, all the time and effort I put into loading, shooting, practicing, learning how to read wind and correct for it, and learning internal and external ballistics is a waste. I try and get the best groups possible so that my mistakes in reading conditions will be minimized. Sure, I could read the wind wrong and my 2MOA rifle could luckily shoot to compensate for my mistake in the read. But it is just as probable that that 2MOA accuracy could not go in my favor, and I could miss badly. </p><p></p><p>Look at it as an expiriment. You should only change one variable at a time. If I have a 2MOA rifle, I'm changing all kinds of variables. If the shooter knows their rifle, loads, drops, and wind calcs are precise, the only variables are the shooter and their ability to read conditions. Are 1/2MOA rifles necessary to consistently take game? Not at all. I can only get better at reading conditions when I know there are no other variables at work. I've made some lucky shots before with rifles I would not shoot today because they won't group. I've also had bad luck when I did my best and made good hits. My biggest short coming is able to read the wind correctly. If I know my gun is consistently precise enough to achieve 1/2MOA, I can tell when I have made a poor judgement and correction. If my rifle is only capable of 2MOA I could seem way off or incredibly spot on. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, unless I knew my rifle was not the cause of the error.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="youngbuck, post: 554433, member: 22987"] I'm not saying that most guys are the Bob Lee Swagger types who can make a 2000meter shot cold bore all day every day. I know there are much, much better shooters and wind readers than me on this site. I take pride in being able to put my bullet where I want it to go at the ranges I feel comfortable with consistently. I do not own a rifle capable of nor shoot good enough to tell you exactly where my 2nd shot will hit based solely on where my 1st shot hit. If I have a rifle that starts to string when it gets hot, I sight it in for 1st shot, POI (my 223WWSM strings towards 2:30 pretty bad when it is hot). It takes me a few trips, but that's how I do it. If I have to shoot half a box of shells at animal to make a hit, I'm wasting a LOT of my time. If I wasn't confident, all the time and effort I put into loading, shooting, practicing, learning how to read wind and correct for it, and learning internal and external ballistics is a waste. I try and get the best groups possible so that my mistakes in reading conditions will be minimized. Sure, I could read the wind wrong and my 2MOA rifle could luckily shoot to compensate for my mistake in the read. But it is just as probable that that 2MOA accuracy could not go in my favor, and I could miss badly. Look at it as an expiriment. You should only change one variable at a time. If I have a 2MOA rifle, I'm changing all kinds of variables. If the shooter knows their rifle, loads, drops, and wind calcs are precise, the only variables are the shooter and their ability to read conditions. Are 1/2MOA rifles necessary to consistently take game? Not at all. I can only get better at reading conditions when I know there are no other variables at work. I've made some lucky shots before with rifles I would not shoot today because they won't group. I've also had bad luck when I did my best and made good hits. My biggest short coming is able to read the wind correctly. If I know my gun is consistently precise enough to achieve 1/2MOA, I can tell when I have made a poor judgement and correction. If my rifle is only capable of 2MOA I could seem way off or incredibly spot on. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, unless I knew my rifle was not the cause of the error. [/QUOTE]
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