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<blockquote data-quote="Chas1" data-source="post: 386647" data-attributes="member: 15738"><p>bb204, Either you didn't read all my posts or your half read before going into as you said your rant. No one said that everyone that has not been through a training coarse is a complete idiot. But some might be. Nor have I used the word <u>coarse</u>. I've exclusively used the word training and that can come in many forms...formal and/or informal, if you'd read and paid attention to one of my earlier posts you would have known this. Remember we're talking about a Concealed Firearm and in my state that's a 4 hour coarse that costs 35 bucks but, atleast you'd know what laws your subject too and what you can and can not do and the safe handling of a firearm. Also, I never asked the question: <u>If I am in the situation where someone with a gun intends to do harm</u> Where'd you get that one from? I didn't ask that question but, I did make this statement: I don't want anyone near me in a shootout that hasn't had the proper training...friendly fire is just as deadly.</p><p></p><p>I did ask this question: would you hand a weapon to anyone knowing they were untrained?</p><p></p><p>Since you seem to have a problem with understanding my posts and since I don't know anyone that carrys an unloaded concealed firearm then I'll ask you this: Would you hand a loaded firearm to anyone knowing they were untrained either formal or informal? Bear in mind one of the examples I gave was the guy who the day after Christmas has their brand new shiny auto...never having owned or used a firearm. <strong>So would you?</strong></p><p></p><p>You and others have your opinion and I respect that. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to have a different one. All I'm saying is how many Billy Bobs are out there I don't know but in my limited experience I've come across too many. Like the guy who just got his brand new shiny auto for X-mas having never touched or been around firearms his/her entire life and walks over to you with the gun loaded, and pointed at you with his **** finger in the trigger asking you how to unload it because the sign says you can't come to the firing line with a loaded firearm when folks are downrange. If Arizona wants to do away with any training requirement, more power to them. But, in my opinion and in my state 4 hours and 35 bucks ain't a big deal...is it fool proof of coarse not, there still will be some Billy Bob's out there but, hopefully a few less I've got to worry. Far to often and regretably in the news we hear about too many children or other family member fatally shot by accident in their home or thereabouts and IMHO I bet there wasn't much formal or informal training. </p><p></p><p>In case your in doubt or missed reading it in my previous post. I fully support the 2nd amendment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chas1, post: 386647, member: 15738"] bb204, Either you didn't read all my posts or your half read before going into as you said your rant. No one said that everyone that has not been through a training coarse is a complete idiot. But some might be. Nor have I used the word [U]coarse[/U]. I've exclusively used the word training and that can come in many forms...formal and/or informal, if you'd read and paid attention to one of my earlier posts you would have known this. Remember we're talking about a Concealed Firearm and in my state that's a 4 hour coarse that costs 35 bucks but, atleast you'd know what laws your subject too and what you can and can not do and the safe handling of a firearm. Also, I never asked the question: [U]If I am in the situation where someone with a gun intends to do harm[/U] Where'd you get that one from? I didn't ask that question but, I did make this statement: I don't want anyone near me in a shootout that hasn't had the proper training...friendly fire is just as deadly. I did ask this question: would you hand a weapon to anyone knowing they were untrained? Since you seem to have a problem with understanding my posts and since I don't know anyone that carrys an unloaded concealed firearm then I'll ask you this: Would you hand a loaded firearm to anyone knowing they were untrained either formal or informal? Bear in mind one of the examples I gave was the guy who the day after Christmas has their brand new shiny auto...never having owned or used a firearm. [B]So would you?[/B] You and others have your opinion and I respect that. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to have a different one. All I'm saying is how many Billy Bobs are out there I don't know but in my limited experience I've come across too many. Like the guy who just got his brand new shiny auto for X-mas having never touched or been around firearms his/her entire life and walks over to you with the gun loaded, and pointed at you with his **** finger in the trigger asking you how to unload it because the sign says you can't come to the firing line with a loaded firearm when folks are downrange. If Arizona wants to do away with any training requirement, more power to them. But, in my opinion and in my state 4 hours and 35 bucks ain't a big deal...is it fool proof of coarse not, there still will be some Billy Bob's out there but, hopefully a few less I've got to worry. Far to often and regretably in the news we hear about too many children or other family member fatally shot by accident in their home or thereabouts and IMHO I bet there wasn't much formal or informal training. In case your in doubt or missed reading it in my previous post. I fully support the 2nd amendment. [/QUOTE]
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