FREE SOE Long Range Clinic 24-27 Aug 2006

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  1. triggerfifty

    triggerfifty Well-Known Member

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    Hi Shooters,

    SOE IS OFFERING A FREE LONG RANGE SHOOTING / TRACKING CLINIC FROM 24-27 AUG 2006. SOE HAS BEEN CONDUCTING TRAINING AND OPERATIONS AROUND THE WORLD SINCE 2001. SOE HAS BECOME MUCH MORE PUBLIC IN SINCE 2005 AND WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEIR UNIQUE ABILITIES AND METHODS TO THE LONG RANGE SHOOTING COMMUNITY.

    TRAINING WILL BE CONDUCTED NEAR ARCO, IDAHO. HOTEL ARRANGEMENTS WILL BE MADE IN THE TOWN OF ARCO AT ONE OF THE SEVERAL HOTELS AVAILABLE.

    SOE WILL OFFER FOR USE THE CHEYTAC ADVANCED BALLISTIC COMPUTER AS WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE MOST ADVANCED AND ACCURATE COMPUTER PROGRAM AVAILABLE FOR LONG RANGE SHOOTING. ANY PROGRAM THAT A SHOOTER WISHES TO BRING AND USE DURING THE COURSE OF FIRE IS FINE AND ENCOURAGED TO DO SO. BELOW IS THE PROPOSED TRAINING PLAN, BUT MAY CHANGE AS THE TRAINING PROGRESSES OR AS THE DATE APPROACHES. CLICK ON THE FREE TRAINING LINK TO SEE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS OFFER. THIS IS NO SCAM, NO A SALES PUSH, JUST A PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFER.

    24 AUG

    Care and Maintenance of Big Bore Rifles
    Special Marksmanship Practices of Extreme Range Shooting
    Determining the Effects and Correcting for Meteorological and Environmental Effects
    Ammunition Management for Long Range Shooting
    Ammunition Selection from Issued Cartridges
    Construction of High Precision Cartridges for Long Range Shooting
    INTRODUCTION TO MAN TRACKING

    25 AUG

    Known Distance Shoot
    Zero Guns at 500 Yards
    Long Range Grouping Exercises 500-1500 Yards
    Extreme Range Grouping 1500-2000 Yards
    Super-Sonic Range Shoot (Gun System Determined for Range)
    Possible Night Vision Long Range Shoot

    26 AUG

    Unknown Distance Extreme Range Shoot

    This shoot will take place in field conditions at an altitude of 7000’. We will be shooting from various shooting locations at ranges from 990 yards to 2235 yards. This will be a live fire symposium on extreme range shooting and the special considerations that must be given in that environment. As SOE’s shooting location is very similar to the operational environment in Afghanistan, the shooters will see the extremely harsh conditions that our military’s snipers must face to be successful.

    Throughout the training, we will discuss various live shots that have occurred in the war on terror and examine the events for their training values in both successes and in failures.

    27 AUG

    Unknown Distance Multi Engagement Scenario / Live Fire
    Team Individual Shoot
    Longest Range Shot Competition
    Tear Down and Cleanup

    Sniping Operations Executive Training Clinic

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  2. screech

    screech Well-Known Member

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    what do you need and how much does it cost? Thanks
     

  3. triggerfifty

    triggerfifty Well-Known Member

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    Hello,

    The cost is 0.00 for the shoot and the training. The rest of the cost; travel, food, lodging, ammo, etc. is up to you. 100-150 rounds is needed.

    A spotting scope is the only major equipment requirement other than the rifle, ammo. You will be paired up, and it's likely we'd have enough spotting scopes. I have 2 Swarovskis available.
     
  4. Just Learnin

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    Triggerfifty, pm sent. -- Don
     
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  6. triggerfifty

    triggerfifty Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys,

    Have gotten lots of emails on this free shooting event. If any readers would confirm attendance at this point, it would be appreciated as I need to start committing resources to the shoot.

    Please reply via email:

    triggerfifty@hotmail.com

    Thanks!!
     
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    norsepeak Well-Known Member

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    Are there going to be any other dates? I just found out about this today, and would love to attend, I just need more lead time. Please let me know. Thanks.
     
  8. triggerfifty

    triggerfifty Well-Known Member

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    FREE SOE Long Range Clinic 24-27 Aug 2006 AAR

    No free events for a while, probably next year. This was a promotional event. I am having a long range match the 7th and 8th of Oct, 2006.
    SOE Competition Shoot 7-8 Oct

    AFTER ACTION REPORT: SNIPING OPERATIONS EXECUTIVE

    24-27 SOE Shoot AAR
    DATE OF TRAINING: 24-27 AUGUST 2006

    Sniping Operations Executive offered a free long range shooting clinic from 24 to 27 August 2006. The primary intent of this clinic was to expose and offer specialized training to select attendees to present SOE’s advanced training methodology.

    8 shooters were in attendance composing 4 shooting teams. The list of weapons and ammunition were impressive and as follows:

    RIFLE / CALIBER OPTICS PROJECTILE
    TEAM 1 2 Shooters sharing a rifle. 338 EDGE LEUPOLD & STEVENS (L&S) 300 gr. Sierra Matchking and 270 gr. Lost River Ballistic Technologies (LRBT) M40
    TEAM 2 AI 338 LAPUA NIGHTFORCE NXS 270 gr. LRBT M40
    TEAM 2 PGW 338 LAPUA US OPTICS SN3 300 gr. Sierra Matchking
    TEAM 3 PGW 408 CheyTac US OPTICS SN3 419 gr. LRBT J40
    TEAM 3 .300 Win Mag L&S 200 gr. Sierra Matchking
    TEAM 4 .50 BMG AMAC 500 US OPTICS SN3 750 gr. AMAX
    SOE PROVIDED SOE built 375 SOE NIGHTFORCE NXS 350 gr. LRBT M40
    “ “ M107 Barrett .50 NIGHTFORCE NXS PMC BALL, 773 gr. LRBT, 750 gr. AMAX

    The shoot was conducted in field conditions on a known distance range and an unknown distance range. The training was conducted in 5 phases.

    Phase I: 24 Aug. This training was conducted in a classroom environment. Training consisted of history of military long range sniping, mostly in the .50 caliber class of rifles. SOE advanced methods of training and the history of this method was presented. We examined high speed video and frame by frame imagery of shooter error and examples of bad gun system design. Ted Williams of The Tactical Edge gave a short presentation on their tracking courses and the use of these methods and skills for IED detection and avoidance.

    Phase II: 24 Aug. This was the first range event and consisted of obtaining muzzle velocities needed for input into the CheyTac Advanced Ballistic Computers. They CheyTac ABCs were used for fire control and multiple gun system management throughout the course of fire.

    Phase III: 25 Aug. Training was conducted at the South Creek Flats range area. The range is basic but simple. Distances are measured to 3000 yards. We started by zeroing the rifles at 525 yards. All rifles were very impressive as all guns turned in sub MOA groups, with the best shot group obtained by Kurt of Las Vegas Steel Targets shooting his AMAC 500 and AMAX ammunition to 2.4” at 525 yards. Kurt’s humble and accurate fire throughout the training was a good example of what a good basic .50 AMAC can do. We shot to a range of 1525 yards that day before the long sun and heat brought the day to a close. A couple of hearty souls took shots at a steel target at 2056 yards that was placed in the rocks to the side of the range.

    Phase IV: 26 Aug. Unknown Field Shoot I. Training here was conducted at the Arco Pass range area from Gun Position 1 North.

    Ranges here were from the nearest range of 945 yards to a max range of 2235 yards. There were 14 steel targets in the target array, varying from the smallest of 12” x 12” (not the closest ones, they were 20” x 40”) to the largest of 20” x 40”.

    Range cards with the distances to the targets were given to the shooting teams and elevation / Windage settings were generated and passed to the teams from CheyTac’s ABC system. While the winds were a challenge in learning 3 band wind reading methods, the elevation settings generated by the ABCs were spot on and accurate. A couple of the shooters had brought printouts from other programs that use a singular G1 ballistic co-efficient and were not nearly accurate enough at the extreme ranges.

    In the first shots of the day, nearly all guns obtained 1st or 2nd round strikes on the steel targets. It was a joy to see and hear the results of hard training by these shooters BEFORE they came to SOE’s course. We spent about 6 hours working targets from various positions, all of which had their individual challenges for comfort and sustainability.

    Phase V: 27 Aug. Unknown Field Shoot II. Training here was conducted at the Arco Pass range area from Gun Position 2 North. This gun position looks at the same array of targets from a different aspect angle, elevation and range to the targets. Ranges for these targets were from 1340 yards to 2653 yards. An additional target was added by Kurt from Las Vegas Steel Targets at a range of 1291 yards standing at Gun Position 1 South.

    The gun positioning terrain was a bit more friendly here, but the comfort was soon forgotten when the winds started demanding more shooter attention. Shooter success rate was still high though on all but the longest range of targets. Range of the targets were:

    1428, 1575, 1340, 1389, 1564, 2653, 1451, 1740, 1592, 1745 and 1291 yards.

    Success and work needed. While high performance gun systems made up for a lot of wind estimation error a basic problem with communications caused more than a couple of errors. As most of these shooters had never worked together before, a challenge in the communications was apparent and mostly overcome with time and identification of issues by the instructors.

    The following high points were noted by SOE:

    1. Highly accurate rifles with high performance ammunition.
    2. A willingness to perform and succeed by all shooters.
    3. Careful management of resources.
    4. Good position preparation within the constraints set by SOE.
    5. A willingness to learn and understand unconventional methods of application.

    The following common errors were noted as well, in order of magnitude:

    1. Errors in Windage and Elevation settings on optics. While elevation settings were easy to work with, thorough knowledge of the manipulation of the Windage knob itself was identified. Turning left wind instead of right wind etc.

    2. Miss-estimation of Windage. This takes time, and when challenged with some Kentucky Windage requirements, take some guess work. The CheyTac ABC worked well most of the time, but there were not enough ABC units for each team to have one.

    3. Hot Guns. Rates of fire at times were too high for some gun systems. As a shooter was challenged by a missed shot, the desire to “ring steel” resulted in hot guns and more important, HOT AMMO. Ammunition management is critical in long range shooting as hot ammo results in high strikes.

    Overall, the performance of the shooters was impressive in their ability to group shots on target. Hopefully we were able to add to their skill level. SOE wishes to thank and identify the level of dedication of these shooters. Most had to take time off from work AND pay their own way to the shoot. This alone shows a level of dedication that is needed to succeed at this sport and skill.

    Dean Michaelis

    Director
    Sniping Operations Executive
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