Forseti is home

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by orkan, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. orkan

    orkan Well-Known Member

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    UPS finally delivered my newest kid. Forseti is home.

    William Roscoe at Louisiana Precision bolted him together for me. He did an excellent job by the looks of it. Had a minor mix up with the color. It was suppose to be OD Green! William called me and said "hey I messed up." He was going to paint it green if I wanted it. I figured it looked sexy enough as it was. I told him not too change a thing and send it on. I'm glad I did, as it looks amazing. Next call from him was to let me know he shipped the gun without the cheek piece. Ooops. The cheek piece showed up a day after the rifle. I would have appreciated expedited shipping so the cheek piece beat the rifle here... but oh well. Its here, its together, and it looks amazing. I'll have to reserve final judgment for after I have a few hundred rounds down the tube of course, but damn William... you can build a rifle my friend. I'm going to go broke sending you work. LA Precision builds them right folks. He was pretty quick too, and only took about 3-4 months. The big wait was surgeon, and their backlog on the 591's.

    Can't say enough about Roscoe. He's a little rough around the edges but his product is exemplary. He was willing to spend a bit of time answering questions and forthcoming with honest answers. Once he started on the build, he kept me in the loop and even made a follow-up call after it was delivered. Class act all the way around. Anytime you send a few thousand bucks to someone you've never met, there is always a bit of pucker factor. William Roscoe at LA Precision is good to go!

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    Krieger 18" 1:10 308win.
    Timney trigger @ 2lbs
    AICS 2.0
    Atlas v7
    Badger rings
    Premier 5-25x56 w/USO ARD
    YHM Phantom 7.62 QD

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  2. BlackSS

    BlackSS Well-Known Member

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    Wow, that is a great looking gun. Be sure to post up how it shoots.
     

  3. ROBSTER

    ROBSTER Well-Known Member

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    Awsome looking gun love that case also.
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  4. orkan

    orkan Well-Known Member

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    The weather finally cooperated long enough to get a ladder done. After the first 3 rounds were fired, it became obvious that I would be the weak link, not the rifle.

    Date: 08-09-2010 7:15pm
    Humidity - 60%
    Temp - 85f
    Pressure - 28.38
    Range - 300yds

    Bullet - 175SMK
    Case - Winchester (virgin)
    Primer - CCI200
    Powder - Varget

    Case length - 2.005
    Length to ogive - 2.225 (10 thou off the lands.

    Ladder - 42-45.5gr in 0.5gr

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    I had loaded up 10rnds at 42gr so I could zero and get on target at 300. The first round I fired was at 25yds. I came down 1.5 mils and left 0.5 mils using that bullet hole. The next shot I fired at 100yds. I hit high, so I came down 1 mil. I'll get that 25yd zero thing down at some point. ;) The next shot tore the center out of the target. Three rounds, and I'm zeroed for 100. I took another shot at the 100yd target just to be sure I was there. The shot landed just to the 8 O'clock tearing the hole a bit bigger.

    I dialed up 1.3 mils and took a shot at the 3" target I had up at 300yds. I neglected to take the velocity decrease into account, and hit a bit low. I went to 1.7 mils and put one in the 3 O'clock position on the target. There was a bit of wind twisting around behind the corn and my buildings, so I knew I'd have a little lateral movement today. I could have likely come .1 left, but I left well enough alone and started the ladder.

    1) 42gr - 2372fps
    2) 42.5gr - 2400fps
    3) 43gr - 2455fps
    4) 43.5gr - 2477fps
    5) 44gr - 2495fps
    6) 44.5gr - 2519fps (very light primer cratering)
    7) 45gr - 2545fps (slightly sticky bolt lift with primer cratering)
    8) 45.5gr - 2543fps (sticky bolt lift with increased primer cratering)

    The results absolutely floored me. No other ladder I have ever run in a 308 has ever looked like this. Even when taking steps as large as .5gr the vertical spread amongst the top charges was less than 2" at 300yds. I stood there in front of the target with my mouth hanging open long enough for a few hundred mosquitoes to bite me. Never have I see a rifle this tolerant.
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    After the ladder, I let the rifle cool and then fired a 4-shot group using the remaining rounds at 42gr. It measured 1.4" at 300yds. It is likely that the rifle will shoot better with fire formed brass. I'm speechless a this point. This thing makes me look like a friggin chump when it comes to shooting ability. Every single bullet on the target tells me the precise story of what I was doing when that shot broke. I'm truly humbled.

    William Roscoe, you have a talent. A gift from God I would say. There are a lot of gunsmiths in the world, but I have not owned a finer precision rifle than this. Never before have I seen a rifle print a group like that during a ladder test. Ever. It does EXACTLY what I tell it to do. This rifle as a complete unit is the most robust and smooth firearm I have ever had my hands on. The surgeon 591 is without equal.

    Next, I would ordinarily load a ladder in .2gr increments... but with this rifle it will do me absolutely no good. So I'll probably just load up 20 at 44gr and launch them through the chrono to see how the ES and SD are doing.

    I anxiously await the next window when I can get the chronograph out without getting it wet.
     
  5. Chas1

    Chas1 Well-Known Member

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    Great looking rig, good pics and nice shooting.
     
  6. RMulhern

    RMulhern Well-Known Member

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    Try some 155 gr. Sierra Palma bullets using 47 grs. Varget with a F210M!
     
  7. joseph

    joseph Well-Known Member

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    I hope you don't accidentally hit your chronograph and the bullet doesn't deflect into your house where mama and kids might be. lightbulb

    "Aim small miss small", :D

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  8. orkan

    orkan Well-Known Member

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    You think I live in that trailer? lol Oh the internet never ceases to amaze me.

    ... and the lighter bullets generally do not perform well out of the shorter barrels.
     
  9. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say that lighter bullets don't work well in shorter barrels. Mine w/ 18" barrel and 135SMK's did pretty good. 150 speer did good too. What I have been contemplating is faster powders for shorter barrels instead of slower powders like the varget, though with RL17 and a mag primer, I can shoot 175's in the 2550 range in my 18" barrel. I really haven't noticed any real muzzle flash either.

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  10. RMulhern

    RMulhern Well-Known Member

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    " and the lighter bullets generally do not perform well out of the shorter barrels."

    BS!!
     
  11. orkan

    orkan Well-Known Member

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    Ok, give me a bullet/powder combination that will push a 150/155 above 2800, and I'll try it out. So far I have not been able to break 2650 or so.
     
  12. RMulhern

    RMulhern Well-Known Member

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    orkan

    "do not perform well"

    PERFORMANCE in my opinion means accuracy.....NOT NECESSARILY meaning the speed of light!! Varget....in a decent length of barrel will exceed 2800 fps quite easily but with the 'cigar stubbed' barrel you've got....it would be a chore using anything but C4 compound! Your best bet is to try for accuracy....instead of speed!lightbulb
     
  13. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    I doubt you will get to 2800, but with a faster powder you might get there. Also try RL17 and a stiff load of 46 to 48 grains. It is compressed, but it works.

    Tank