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Floating bolt head on 700??
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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 1376979" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>JJ</p><p>This subject came up At the range the other day when a person was looking at some of my custom rifles and noticed that I didn't have a "True" savage rifle (I have one, but it does not have the barrel nut)</p><p>and commented that they shot better than the other brands of rifles.</p><p></p><p>Not trying to be a smart ***, and remembering this post I tried to answer his question in layman terms and not from a gunsmiths point of view, so he could understand why the action, does not make the difference in accuracy.</p><p></p><p>So I ask him what was the purpose of a bolt. He couldn't really give a good answer so I helped him out by saying. "A bolt is nothing more than a plug to stop the cartridge from coming out during firing and to remove the empty case afterwards. As long as the bolt doesn't move</p><p>during firing, and remains square it has no bearing on accuracy because it is an inanimate object.</p><p></p><p>Next was a comparison to the most accurate weapons in the world, (The big Naval guns and artillery that can be accurate out to 18+ miles)</p><p>none of these have a "floating bolt head" and simply a breach block (Normally one piece).</p><p></p><p>Still not convinced, He wanted to see my test groups and compare his to mine. I told him it would not prove anything but he wanted to see how his Savages shot. (He had nothing but Savages).</p><p></p><p>After seeing his groups, I could see that He was the main problem even though he was proud of the 1 MOA groups. The first thing he wanted to see was how the Savage shot without the barrel nut. (Then I went into a long winded explanation why I built savages this way) The Savage bolt was blueprinted also. the groups were running under 1/4 MOA (.128 to .187 depending on the load) At that point I explained that all of my rifles had custom barrels and that was where the TRUE difference was. Then he wanted to see some of the other groups. The groups on the Savage mentioned was in 7/08 I also had a Remington 700 in the same caliber and used the same reamer and barrel maker, so they were as close to one another as possible. Accuracy of each was very close to the same. (I'm not sure if the difference was me or the rifle, but Probably me).</p><p></p><p>The Remington was slightly better by between .005 and .011 thousandths average. (Not enough to determine anything about the actions accuracy benefits. I think I explained it well enough for him to see that there was no advantage to one action over another if everything was done right and ammo was loaded with as much precision as possible. But the explanation about blueprinting and custom barrels gave him an out. (I knew he was a diehard Savage fan and it would probably would not change his mind and that's fine), as long as he is happy.</p><p></p><p>He did comment on all the things he had heard and read on line, about how much better the Savages were because of the "Floating bolt heads".</p><p></p><p>So nothing will/has convinced me that it has anything to do with accuracy just ease of assembly for the factory, Just like the barrel nut. (Which I automatically eliminate when installing a new barrel).</p><p></p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 1376979, member: 2736"] JJ This subject came up At the range the other day when a person was looking at some of my custom rifles and noticed that I didn't have a "True" savage rifle (I have one, but it does not have the barrel nut) and commented that they shot better than the other brands of rifles. Not trying to be a smart ***, and remembering this post I tried to answer his question in layman terms and not from a gunsmiths point of view, so he could understand why the action, does not make the difference in accuracy. So I ask him what was the purpose of a bolt. He couldn't really give a good answer so I helped him out by saying. "A bolt is nothing more than a plug to stop the cartridge from coming out during firing and to remove the empty case afterwards. As long as the bolt doesn't move during firing, and remains square it has no bearing on accuracy because it is an inanimate object. Next was a comparison to the most accurate weapons in the world, (The big Naval guns and artillery that can be accurate out to 18+ miles) none of these have a "floating bolt head" and simply a breach block (Normally one piece). Still not convinced, He wanted to see my test groups and compare his to mine. I told him it would not prove anything but he wanted to see how his Savages shot. (He had nothing but Savages). After seeing his groups, I could see that He was the main problem even though he was proud of the 1 MOA groups. The first thing he wanted to see was how the Savage shot without the barrel nut. (Then I went into a long winded explanation why I built savages this way) The Savage bolt was blueprinted also. the groups were running under 1/4 MOA (.128 to .187 depending on the load) At that point I explained that all of my rifles had custom barrels and that was where the TRUE difference was. Then he wanted to see some of the other groups. The groups on the Savage mentioned was in 7/08 I also had a Remington 700 in the same caliber and used the same reamer and barrel maker, so they were as close to one another as possible. Accuracy of each was very close to the same. (I'm not sure if the difference was me or the rifle, but Probably me). The Remington was slightly better by between .005 and .011 thousandths average. (Not enough to determine anything about the actions accuracy benefits. I think I explained it well enough for him to see that there was no advantage to one action over another if everything was done right and ammo was loaded with as much precision as possible. But the explanation about blueprinting and custom barrels gave him an out. (I knew he was a diehard Savage fan and it would probably would not change his mind and that's fine), as long as he is happy. He did comment on all the things he had heard and read on line, about how much better the Savages were because of the "Floating bolt heads". So nothing will/has convinced me that it has anything to do with accuracy just ease of assembly for the factory, Just like the barrel nut. (Which I automatically eliminate when installing a new barrel). J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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