First time at 700yds

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by twoftagl, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. twoftagl

    twoftagl Well-Known Member

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    First time today at 700 yds today, got the drops dialed in. This is with Winchester Super-X 180gr power-points out of a Remington 5r in 300wm.

    After spending some time getting the wind dialed in shooting at 500 and 600 I shot this group at 600 yards.

    600YD 30DEC'12_bottom right not 600.jpg The bottom left shot was from a previous distance.

    I stepped back to 700 and shot. The two higher shots were at 65 clicks up (1/4 moa) and I then decided one click down should fit the bill, for 64 at those conditions.

    700 yds 30DEC'12.jpg
    Fairly pleased with this group, especially considering the elevation change.

    Now if I can just figure out the winds on the first shot, not three groups later. They were a little rough today, I learned more about reading them and how the terrain changed the direction. Learning more all the time, but this wind is still eating my lunch!!

    Chris
     
  2. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    Looks good. Keep up the good shooting.
     

  3. toddc

    toddc Well-Known Member

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    Your wind reading abilities are probably ok....the bullet you are shooting is like sailing a schooner across the ocean. Stick a 215 berger in that (Heck even a 185) and that group is 1/3 the size. BCs under .6 really really really suck at 700 in the wind.
     
  4. WildRose

    WildRose Well-Known Member

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    Invigorating ain't it! gun)

    Ask anyone who's been shooting long range very long and to a man/woman they'll tell you the biggest hurdle is learning to deal with the wind.

    Even with a pocket weather station like the Kestrel, you really don't have a good "read on the wind" anywhere but where you are standing.

    At long range wind can change on you two or three times between where you are shooting from and your target.

    Lots of good articles here about reading the wind and I highly recommend seeking them out, especially over on the starting out section.

    Congrats... Nothing beats success.
     
  5. paphil

    paphil Well-Known Member

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    Paint a small 2 inch red dot on the center of the target. That alone will reduce your group size! Also agree with the berger/high BC bullets. They can cut wind drift in half!
     
  6. twoftagl

    twoftagl Well-Known Member

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    I haven't gotten anything to work for me yet. Tried 180gr accubonds and two different powders, can't get better than a moa plus grrrrrr. I've got some 210s sitting on the shelf, if I can't get my next batch of 4831sc to work, that box will be tempting me.

    But, that's all on hold til we get to Colorado Springs. So, I just bought a bunch of these cause they work decent, doped em out and started practicing.

    Papil-First thing I thought setting up the sillouette was "aim small MISS small" and stuck a 3-inch Shoot-N-See in the middle. First hit on steel it flew off even tho it was 7 inches away. Red Paint next time hahahaha


    Chris
     
  7. Dr. Vette

    Dr. Vette Well-Known Member

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    Red or orange or blue paint work great.

    FYI one of the prominent members on here told me to change bullets before you change powders. One of the prominent 'smiths on here says the same. A rifle will will like - or not like - a bullet, and the powder is just a way to fine tune your load for accuracy and repeatability. In my limited experience I've found that they are right.

    So, think bullet before powder.
     
  8. D.ID

    D.ID Well-Known Member

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    I have heard the same about powder swapping vs bullet swapping and have had to change bullets but never had to change powder. I would also second the notion of going to a heavier bullet for fighting wind and therefor suggest for long range you want different bullets anyway.
     
  9. trebark

    trebark Well-Known Member

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    Two recommendations for your 300win. Switch to 215 Berger hybrids and H1000 rather than H4831. The difference between the 215 and the 180 will be like night and day.
     
  10. twoftagl

    twoftagl Well-Known Member

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    Suppose that's where I need to go next, then...thanks for the experience, this is my first (rifle) load workup. The rifle usually shoots 1 to 1 1/4 moa out of both the factory 180s and the 180gr Accubonds in my load testing, with only minor differences in charge weights noted. Maybe this barrel just wants a different weight bullet, but it's really bugging me why I can't get solidly below the 1 moa landmark. The rifle really should be capable and I'm pretty sure I am.

    I guess the only reason I started with the 180 grains is 1) I didn't plan on being able to use this (factory) barrel more than 800-1000yds 2) Whitetails, and 3) Hoping the Ballistic tips (same BC and form factor as the ABs) could be used for whitetail, more economic practice and for the long shots for better low-energy expansion. Of course that was dependent upon the two shooting the same .

    So, I suppose I should just go for it!! and try the 210VLDs.

    In 300wm and 26" barrel, am I better with H1000 or H4831sc? I was leaning on the H1000 with the heavier bullet.

    Thanks for the help. No replacement for experience...I'm tryin to get there :cool:


    Chris
     
  11. Dr. Vette

    Dr. Vette Well-Known Member

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    No problem.

    I tried every combination I could think of to get Nosler 160 AB's to work in my Dad's 7mm Wby this fall (powder, primer, seating depth), and it never shot that well. I then tried 168 Berger VLDs and didn't do any better. Even my Berger-loving consultant on this site couldn't offer much more since nothing was showing a pattern with either one. Last one was 150gr Barnes TTSX and the rifle is a laser with them, far better than anything that I could do with the other two bullets. The speed is a bit slower than I'd like but I'll take accuracy any day.

    So, don't be afraid to try a few different ones.

    I'd stick with H-1000.