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<blockquote data-quote="Jon A" data-source="post: 481982" data-attributes="member: 319"><p>Using a super duper wizbang flat shooting load doesn't make your scope any better. It's simply a crutch covering up the fact you're guessing. You can get away with it a little better a little farther, that's all. If you put out targets of a somewhat challenging size at various odd ranges and shoot against somebody using a reticle you will get killed in both speed and accuracy.</p><p></p><p>I used my 7-08 with a mild load of 162's quite a bit of the time last season. How would the above work with that? Since the turrets on that early PST turned out to be too easy to turn I actually taped them up to keep them from moving. I would have needed quite a bit of time to dial. In this case the good reticle certainly "saved the day" and allowed me to keep using the rifle.</p><p></p><p>I carried the rifle with .7 mils dialed in. That's 2.4" high at 100 for a zero around 225 or so. Pretty typical "point and shoot out to 275 yds" as most would use such a rifle. That gave me the following dope (the PST reticle has marks every ½ Mil).</p><p></p><p>300 ½ Mil</p><p>350 1 </p><p>400 1 ½ </p><p>450 2 </p><p>500 2 ½ </p><p>550 3</p><p></p><p>Those were all within about an inch and a half. Very easy to memorize. Very easy to hold precisely with. Very easy to interpolate between marks for odd yardages. And very fast.</p><p></p><p>I can be on the rifle, with the crosshairs on the target, finger on the trigger, and when you yell out a yardage I can move it to the appropriate hold and press the trigger in the blink of an eye. There's nothing as fast as using the reticle in a situation like that. And for anything farther I'd have to refer to my drop chart (only so I didn't try and memorize too much) and either hold the reticle or undo the tape and dial.</p><p></p><p>3 Mils at 550 is about <strong>5 feet.</strong> And I could very quickly point and shoot and be within an inch or two. Compared with holding over the animals back some guessed amount….there is no comparison.</p><p></p><p>And before you ask, the 4-16 PST doesn't have the greatest glass in the world. On a gloomy day at the end of shooting light, you don't want to have to crank it up to 16X. Being able to crank it up until it goes black, then back off a bit for the best view is nice to be able to do. Even 500 yds is no problem on a deer at 6X. If you suddenly spot a guy with really big horns and you just want to point and shoot as quickly as possible you might even forget to turn the power up. That's OK, it matters not. </p><p></p><p>Of course you can say you don't <em>need</em> that type of capability because those types of situations will just never happen to you, or that you'll be stubbornly crank the power up to 16X or 24X no matter how that looks, or that you'll take the time to dial and if that takes too long and the animal goes away then that's OK, he earned it…. It's a free country. If that's how you feel that's fine.</p><p></p><p>But nobody has ever explained what advantage you gain by <strong>not having</strong> that capability. It's a tool. Some may never find it useful. My toolbox is full of things my wife doesn't find very useful. That doesn't gain her any sort of advantage when the time comes something needs to be fixed.</p><p></p><p>So what is the advantage you expect the OP to gain by not having this tool? How has SFP "saved the day" for you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jon A, post: 481982, member: 319"] Using a super duper wizbang flat shooting load doesn't make your scope any better. It's simply a crutch covering up the fact you're guessing. You can get away with it a little better a little farther, that’s all. If you put out targets of a somewhat challenging size at various odd ranges and shoot against somebody using a reticle you will get killed in both speed and accuracy. I used my 7-08 with a mild load of 162's quite a bit of the time last season. How would the above work with that? Since the turrets on that early PST turned out to be too easy to turn I actually taped them up to keep them from moving. I would have needed quite a bit of time to dial. In this case the good reticle certainly “saved the day” and allowed me to keep using the rifle. I carried the rifle with .7 mils dialed in. That’s 2.4” high at 100 for a zero around 225 or so. Pretty typical “point and shoot out to 275 yds” as most would use such a rifle. That gave me the following dope (the PST reticle has marks every ½ Mil). 300 ½ Mil 350 1 400 1 ½ 450 2 500 2 ½ 550 3 Those were all within about an inch and a half. Very easy to memorize. Very easy to hold precisely with. Very easy to interpolate between marks for odd yardages. And very fast. I can be on the rifle, with the crosshairs on the target, finger on the trigger, and when you yell out a yardage I can move it to the appropriate hold and press the trigger in the blink of an eye. There’s nothing as fast as using the reticle in a situation like that. And for anything farther I’d have to refer to my drop chart (only so I didn’t try and memorize too much) and either hold the reticle or undo the tape and dial. 3 Mils at 550 is about [b]5 feet.[/b] And I could very quickly point and shoot and be within an inch or two. Compared with holding over the animals back some guessed amount….there is no comparison. And before you ask, the 4-16 PST doesn’t have the greatest glass in the world. On a gloomy day at the end of shooting light, you don’t want to have to crank it up to 16X. Being able to crank it up until it goes black, then back off a bit for the best view is nice to be able to do. Even 500 yds is no problem on a deer at 6X. If you suddenly spot a guy with really big horns and you just want to point and shoot as quickly as possible you might even forget to turn the power up. That’s OK, it matters not. Of course you can say you don’t [i]need[/i] that type of capability because those types of situations will just never happen to you, or that you’ll be stubbornly crank the power up to 16X or 24X no matter how that looks, or that you’ll take the time to dial and if that takes too long and the animal goes away then that’s OK, he earned it…. It’s a free country. If that’s how you feel that’s fine. But nobody has ever explained what advantage you gain by [b]not having[/b] that capability. It’s a tool. Some may never find it useful. My toolbox is full of things my wife doesn’t find very useful. That doesn’t gain her any sort of advantage when the time comes something needs to be fixed. So what is the advantage you expect the OP to gain by not having this tool? How has SFP “saved the day” for you? [/QUOTE]
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