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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 425160" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Trueblue hit my point exactly. In a light rifle the big 338's kick to hard to be accurate at a mile with a 300 grain bullet. That is why I was thinking a lapua wildcat with much less powder and still decent velocity. Still the big excalibur, 378 and 416 cases will get more velocity with a short barrel but the recoil is my concern. </p><p></p><p>Autorotate, Your right on with my rifles and what I try to do. My big guns weigh 10-11 pounds scoped out and ready to hunt. They are good to about 1200 yards. I shoot primarily the lighter bullets extremely fast and keep most shots inside a half mile where this type rig will outperform anything. I have taken game to 1100 yards with light bullets going very fast. My pet 338-378 for the light bullets has a hart 28" barrel and weighs 10 3/4 pounds scoped out. It shoots the 225 accubond 3500 fps and took an elk easily two years ago at 910 yards. Easy shot shooting that flat and accurate. Antelope last year at 813 yards.</p><p></p><p>I have basically the same rifle set up with 300 matchkings at 3060 fps for long range. Again 28" barrel and 10 3/4 pounds scoped out. This summer I got out to 1500 yards with it at elk size targets. The rifle did the job out there but it is extremely difficult to hold that much recoil accurately at that range and the barrel gets mighty flimsy to group that far out. But I would not completely rule out the excalibur, 378 or 416 case for trueblue. With the excalibur or 416 improved I am sure 3000 fps is doable in a beefed up 26" barrel that would kill an elk at a mile if a guy was good enough. Again a 28" barrel gets flimsy in a rifle that light shooting that far. </p><p></p><p>It is all give and take but the barrel has got to have enough beef in it to hold a group at that range first and foremost. Then you got to consider the cartridge that can kill efficiently at that range. </p><p></p><p>My 338 RUM has a 26" barrel and will shoot the 300 smk 2730 fps at best accuracy. But there is a whole lot of difference between 1200 yards and 1700 yards. In my opinion a guy would have to go through several rifle builds to get a rifle that has the accuracy in that light of a rifle to shoot one mile. Then the shooter would need plenty of practice with the rifle working his technique to get out that far.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 425160, member: 505"] Trueblue hit my point exactly. In a light rifle the big 338's kick to hard to be accurate at a mile with a 300 grain bullet. That is why I was thinking a lapua wildcat with much less powder and still decent velocity. Still the big excalibur, 378 and 416 cases will get more velocity with a short barrel but the recoil is my concern. Autorotate, Your right on with my rifles and what I try to do. My big guns weigh 10-11 pounds scoped out and ready to hunt. They are good to about 1200 yards. I shoot primarily the lighter bullets extremely fast and keep most shots inside a half mile where this type rig will outperform anything. I have taken game to 1100 yards with light bullets going very fast. My pet 338-378 for the light bullets has a hart 28" barrel and weighs 10 3/4 pounds scoped out. It shoots the 225 accubond 3500 fps and took an elk easily two years ago at 910 yards. Easy shot shooting that flat and accurate. Antelope last year at 813 yards. I have basically the same rifle set up with 300 matchkings at 3060 fps for long range. Again 28" barrel and 10 3/4 pounds scoped out. This summer I got out to 1500 yards with it at elk size targets. The rifle did the job out there but it is extremely difficult to hold that much recoil accurately at that range and the barrel gets mighty flimsy to group that far out. But I would not completely rule out the excalibur, 378 or 416 case for trueblue. With the excalibur or 416 improved I am sure 3000 fps is doable in a beefed up 26" barrel that would kill an elk at a mile if a guy was good enough. Again a 28" barrel gets flimsy in a rifle that light shooting that far. It is all give and take but the barrel has got to have enough beef in it to hold a group at that range first and foremost. Then you got to consider the cartridge that can kill efficiently at that range. My 338 RUM has a 26" barrel and will shoot the 300 smk 2730 fps at best accuracy. But there is a whole lot of difference between 1200 yards and 1700 yards. In my opinion a guy would have to go through several rifle builds to get a rifle that has the accuracy in that light of a rifle to shoot one mile. Then the shooter would need plenty of practice with the rifle working his technique to get out that far. [/QUOTE]
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