F Class....questions & comments

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by DarryH, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. DarryH

    DarryH Member

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    I am hoping to get into some long range shooting this year.
    this would be F Class out to 600 yards, from a bench.

    I grew up on a farm, and used to shoot up to 1/4 mile away.
    I never had paper targets, so cardboard boxes with a magic maker
    circle on them had to suffice. Often as not, it was a spray can or used oil
    can that I shot at.

    Calibers were 22LR, 22 Magnum, 222, 22-250, 243, 270, 30-06, and 8mm Mauser.

    I never did hit a can with the 22.s, but I worried them on occasion.
    The 222 and 22-250 worked Ok early in the morning before the wind came up.
    The 243 and 270 were the easiest to hit with.
    The 30-06 was fun, but the drop was pretty high.
    The 8mm was a straight WWII rifle with no alterations and iron sights.
    I actually DID score with it, after I figured out the sights.

    I have shot to 600 yards with my M1 Garand and my 1903 Springfields
    at the local club. I can score, but I don't consider that level of accuracy
    to be called shooting groups.
    I SUCK at peep sights at long range.

    I see pre-built, or custom guns for sale, but honestly, I cannot afford them.
    I need to start as inexpensively as possible.
    I already have an 8-32x Bushnell 4200 Elite for a scope, so that will suffice for optics.
    I have a Harris Bi-Pod that may also work, if the height is right.

    Gun, barrel, trigger, caliber, action, stock, etc.......all need to be hashed out.


    My budget is as far under $1000 that I can get.
    I do NOT want to go to 30 caliber.....
    6mm, 6.5mm, or 7mm is preferred..... .284 Winchester may be the winner.
    Would like recoil to be kept at 308 level or less possible.
    Need LONG barrel life.
    Willing to spend a bit more for good brass and at least mid quality bullets.
    (I will be flexible)
    I am a lefty, so that is important.
    To shoot F Class of the bench, I need to fire 22 rounds in 20 minutes.

    Some local guys are using 6.5x55 Swedish, some 308, others vary.......
    some are shooting a round they call 7mm Dasher (no....not 6mm Dasher)

    I am NOT trying to win matches!!!
    I DO want to test my shooting skills....and at least worry a few guys.
    My skill level on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best.....I would say I
    am a solid 6, and once I get used to a gun, more like a 7 or an 8.
    I feel to be a 9 or a 10 means spending a LOT more on the gun, ammo, etc.
    I usually get outshot by superior equipment, or by the guys who have a LOT
    more time and money to practice. I have beat them when I used their equipment.

    Can you give me some solid suggestions, sources, etc ???????

    Only so many people can afford to purchase F Class
    competition ready rifles.
    Think how many more people might get into the hobby
    if they could buy an entry level gun priced more like.....
    or just a little above an over-the-counter gun.

    I am sorry to say, but in many areas there are NO good
    gunsmiths to help people get what they need.
    In most cases, no gunsmith means a potential new shooter
    will never pursue their idea to build a gun to get into a new sport.

    That increases the number of shooters, which helps keep
    the hobby strong and growing.
    A strong hobby is good when the gun grabbers are looking for
    any weakness they can find to use against gun owners.

    I will keep reading, but the lack of a local gunsmith that I
    can trust, may mean I will not be able to pursue this new hobby.

    I would appreciate any and all feedback you folks can offer.

    Good Shootin!!
    DarryH
    Nebraska
     
  2. No Fear in Accuracy

    No Fear in Accuracy Well-Known Member

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    I use 6BR and 6.5x284 for F-Class.

    6BR will shoot very well to 600 yards if there is less wind. 6.5x284 would be a better choice if there is usually windy in your area.
    I also love straight 284. It is the best cartridge between 6.5cal and .308cal.

    Lapua only offers 6.5x284 therefore you will need to neck up to .284

    6BR is cheap to make and you can practice a lot for cheap. The cartridge looks tiny but shoot very good. :)
     

  3. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    rebarrel a remington 700 vs to 6mmbr with a krieger or equivalent quality bARREL. (since i shoot remingtons this is difficult to say) OR get a savage lrp in 22-250 , 9 twist.
     
  4. DarryH

    DarryH Member

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    caliber choices are narrowing for me.

    Right now I am between the 6BR and the .284.
    Both offer good barrel life and flat shooting.

    Hopefully lots more feedback is offered.

    Thank you.
    Good Shootin!!
    DarryH
     
  5. Michael Courtney

    Michael Courtney Silver Member

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    My son has shot F Class with a Rem 700 ADL in .223 Rem. I think I paid $300-$350 for this rifle back in 1999 or so. His skills are still growing, but I actually won the light rifle division of a long range precision rifle shoot a couple years ago (steel prairie dogs).

    If I were buying a rifle on the cheap with F Class in mind, I think I'd go with a Savage in .260 Rem or .243 Win. Accuracy is good enough with higher BC bullets than the .223 and you've got a wide variety of price points to choose from. The 3-9x scopes on the package model are at the low end of the magnification you really want for F Class, but if your eyes are young, you can make it work.

    If your shooting locations aren't very windy or if you're just very good at reading the wind, a .223 at a given price point probably has more inherent accuracy than a .243 due to being less overbore and having greater stiffness in the action and barrel relative to the cartridge energy.

    If your < $1000 includes the rifle, scope, and accessories, you may find yourself limited. If your < $1000 is just the rifle, you can do a lot more, probably find a suitable Savage 12 LRP.
     
  6. DarryH

    DarryH Member

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    The .223 will not be enough at 600 yards.
    I live in Nebraska, and it is usually windy.
    A bigger caliber with a better ballistic coefficient is in order.

    The .260 and .243 appear to wear out barrels too fast for me.

    A Savage gun does seem like a good starting point.
    Which model I still do not know.
    I will check out the 12 LRP.

    I already own a suitable scope. It is a Bushnell 4300 Elite 8-32X.
    I have a bipod and a rest.
    This gives me my "under $1000 budget" is all about the gun and a bit of
    starting ammo and/or loading supplies.

    Thanks for you help.

    Good Shootin!!
    DarryH
    Nebraska
     
  7. Max Heat

    Max Heat Well-Known Member

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    Now that I'm done building a .284cal long-range rifle, I'm interested in seeing how well I can do at F class myself. But due to the caliber, my only option would be the "open" F class, which is 600+yd only, I think. As far as I know, only .22 and .30 cal is allowed for the shorter range F class. And if I'm not mistaken, you can't shoot F class off of a bench, either. To score "hits", you need to tag targets that are 1moa in size, like 5"@500yd, 10"@1000yd.

    I'd like to find out more about the sport myself, and if there are any F class ranges within reasonable driving distance from me. It's mostly mountains and valleys where I live (Appalachia).
     
  8. benchracer

    benchracer Well-Known Member

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    The distinction between F-T/R and F-Open is not distance, it is allowable equipment. Targets and distance are the same for the two classes. The 10 Ring is approximately 1 MOA. The X Ring is approximately 1/2 MOA.
     
  9. Max Heat

    Max Heat Well-Known Member

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    As you can see, I still have a lot to learn about it myself. I'm still trying to figure out what the "F" designation stands for... Is the F for "far" or "far-away" class? Or alphabetically speaking, is it simply the class that follows after "E" class?
     
  10. Dgd6mm

    Dgd6mm Well-Known Member

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    F/Class was started in Canada, the F is the letter that is from the man's last mane that started F/Class. His name is George F----------------, google it. F/TR is his last name beginning letter and the TR stands for Target Rifle... The F/TR class only allows .223 and .308 cartridges in it. The shoots that the OP mentioned are not usually called F/Class for the reason that F/Class shoots are not shot from the bench. I've shot shoot were there have been prone shooters and bench shooters at the sametime and they all have been called Modified shoots. If you've never been to a F/Class shoot and you can find one in driving distance, I encourage all that are curious about this sport to go and observe one. This type of shooting keeps you involved all day, between shooting, scoring, pit duty (lowering, marking, raising the target).
     
  11. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    i have shot factory rifles, and i have used factory rifles rebarreled. it is a demanding sport. there is a section on benchrest.com for f-class. probably also more on 6mmbr.com
     
  12. 4bycamper

    4bycamper Well-Known Member

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    Might have an easier time searching for 6mmbr by using AccurateShooter.com
     
  13. Dgd6mm

    Dgd6mm Well-Known Member

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    Savage makes some good entry level F/TR and F/Open rifles. Snipers Hide also has a F/Class competition category.