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Extreme range practice session with Black Sunshine(338 Allen Mag)..
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<blockquote data-quote="ss7mm" data-source="post: 117084" data-attributes="member: 5"><p><strong>Re: Extreme range practice session with Black Sunshine(338 Allen Mag).</strong></p><p></p><p>Kirby:</p><p></p><p>Knowing the gun and the shooter, your results don't surprise me. To maintain approximately ¾ moa at over 2400 yards is impressive to say the least. The average shooter nowadays can't even do that consistently at 100 yards, let alone anything farther out. I had no doubts that you could repeat the results achieved earlier on the chuck shot if conditions were favorable.</p><p></p><p>When I read your post I tried to remember something that I don't normally do and that's what it was like when, like most of those here on this forum, 100 yards was considered a normal sight in range and 300 yards was hold over range and something that people didn't really talk about much because it was more or less an unknown subject. Those of you reading about this field test, try to remember back when you first started and where you are now. Then you can even better appreciate something like this.</p><p></p><p>I can remember when one of my "long range" guns was made by a fella named Biesen from up in the corner of our state, walnut stock and low power scope included. That was a long time ago and many, many guns, jugs of powder and who knows how many bullets gone by. Look at what the "long range" equipment is now days. Impressive to say the least, as are the current day shooters.</p><p></p><p>I guess my point is, after all of this babbling, we tend to take this long range stuff for granted because we typically understand it and what it takes, even though most of us haven't approached your distances. Not many people have any idea what a target the size of a milk jug looks like at 500, 1000 or 1500 yards let alone 2433 yards. If you were to show the normal, short range shooter/hunter a jug at even 500 yards and ask him to hit it, the first thing he'd probably say was "what jug". They'd have trouble even finding and seeing it let alone even coming close to it. To do this at 2433 yards is something that shouldn't be taken lightly.</p><p></p><p>Don't even give a second thought to the people elsewhere who don't understand something like this, and because of their ignorance, will put it down. That's what they do about everything they don't understand and will never even come close to doing themselves.</p><p></p><p>The only person you have to answer to is you and the only person that you have to keep happy is you. I'm pretty sure "Kirby" is feeling pretty good with what "he's" done and I'd say that's all it takes. If some of the rest of us congratulate you then take that as something extra by those that understand what it really takes, from inception of an idea such as "Black Sunshine" to the end results you are getting.</p><p></p><p>For those interested, try setting a jug up at a true, measured distance from 1000 yards out to 2433 yards and then see what you think. If you've never done this at these distances you will be amazed. I kinda feel sorry for the guys back east etc. that are limited to distances of about 300-500 yards and less. That sure would be a bummer after living out here where you can sometimes shoot into the next county. </p><p> </p><p>But then, this is Long Range Hunting isn't it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif</p><p></p><p>Don't look back, but I think the "flatlanders" from down south in the heat/dust bowl are coming hot on your heels so just make sure their gun isn't quite as perfect as yours and then you'll be safe. Just kidding!!!!!!</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah, by the way, Congratulations Again on a fantastic gun and some super shooting. Keep it up and keep us posted. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ss7mm, post: 117084, member: 5"] [b]Re: Extreme range practice session with Black Sunshine(338 Allen Mag).[/b] Kirby: Knowing the gun and the shooter, your results don’t surprise me. To maintain approximately ¾ moa at over 2400 yards is impressive to say the least. The average shooter nowadays can’t even do that consistently at 100 yards, let alone anything farther out. I had no doubts that you could repeat the results achieved earlier on the chuck shot if conditions were favorable. When I read your post I tried to remember something that I don’t normally do and that’s what it was like when, like most of those here on this forum, 100 yards was considered a normal sight in range and 300 yards was hold over range and something that people didn’t really talk about much because it was more or less an unknown subject. Those of you reading about this field test, try to remember back when you first started and where you are now. Then you can even better appreciate something like this. I can remember when one of my “long range” guns was made by a fella named Biesen from up in the corner of our state, walnut stock and low power scope included. That was a long time ago and many, many guns, jugs of powder and who knows how many bullets gone by. Look at what the “long range” equipment is now days. Impressive to say the least, as are the current day shooters. I guess my point is, after all of this babbling, we tend to take this long range stuff for granted because we typically understand it and what it takes, even though most of us haven’t approached your distances. Not many people have any idea what a target the size of a milk jug looks like at 500, 1000 or 1500 yards let alone 2433 yards. If you were to show the normal, short range shooter/hunter a jug at even 500 yards and ask him to hit it, the first thing he’d probably say was “what jug”. They’d have trouble even finding and seeing it let alone even coming close to it. To do this at 2433 yards is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly. Don’t even give a second thought to the people elsewhere who don’t understand something like this, and because of their ignorance, will put it down. That’s what they do about everything they don’t understand and will never even come close to doing themselves. The only person you have to answer to is you and the only person that you have to keep happy is you. I’m pretty sure “Kirby” is feeling pretty good with what “he’s” done and I’d say that’s all it takes. If some of the rest of us congratulate you then take that as something extra by those that understand what it really takes, from inception of an idea such as “Black Sunshine” to the end results you are getting. For those interested, try setting a jug up at a true, measured distance from 1000 yards out to 2433 yards and then see what you think. If you’ve never done this at these distances you will be amazed. I kinda feel sorry for the guys back east etc. that are limited to distances of about 300-500 yards and less. That sure would be a bummer after living out here where you can sometimes shoot into the next county. But then, this is Long Range Hunting isn’t it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Don't look back, but I think the "flatlanders" from down south in the heat/dust bowl are coming hot on your heels so just make sure their gun isn't quite as perfect as yours and then you'll be safe. Just kidding!!!!!! Oh yeah, by the way, Congratulations Again on a fantastic gun and some super shooting. Keep it up and keep us posted. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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