Good gentle sirs and ladies, We were talking around the fire the other night and this topic came up. For my edification, if I wished to build a super long range rifle, for shots, at targets & gongs, to 3000+M and not using the .50 BMG what would you suggest. We don’t have .50 BMG guns around here in Canada so I’ve only shot the 1000M with one a couple of times in the US. The major reason for suggesting this thread Some have been using .338/378 etc. to 2000M...Would using a larger case get me the range and power necessary? I have seen a .338/416 Sniper in the wildcat tables...Would using a .404, .465 or .505 case work out? It would probably have to be necked down to .35 or .37 to carry that distance or could I go to a .30, .31 or .33...or the other route and have to go up? Weatherby and Dakota proprietary rounds are just necked down big bore brass and I thought that I could maybe work up something that would be cool to shoot. I’d build it on a super heavy class rifle, probably 34 or 36” barrel maybe all the way to 40", BAT action. And weigh in about the 20KG/45lb range. I am aware of Cheyenne Tactical cartridges, but I want something really unique, different, weird, odd, whatever! Where am I going to shoot? My uncle’s farm is 5½ sections in length by 3 in width, which is 5 ½ X 3 miles long which I believe is 8.9 KM. That’s 10,500 acres on the Saskatchewan Manitoba border area in Canada. If you get up high enough (top of the grain elevator) you can see the end from the beginning. Dead flat, a few trees in the way, my wife calls it pancake land. Can’t shoot from the elevator, something about the explosive quality of grain dust irks my uncle. Will probably build a shooting platform on the top of the barn to give us enough height to see over the scrub bush. I made a clean kill at 1005M on a wild boar and credited with hits at 650, 700 & 800M. We have been shooting some 1000 & 1200M targets with a 6.5X 284 and 1500M with both a .338/378 and a .300/378 (it isn’t that good at 1500). Nothing to brag about or win any tournaments with but all on the paper and alot in the black. Nothing like David Tubb’s perfect scores. But have only just started to get serious about long range. Will try to get a 2000, 2500 and 3000 yd/M target butts set up but have only to 1500 now. It takes a lot of time to go and change targets. The sheet of boiler plate that we set up sounds real nice after about a 5 or 6 second delay. Long range hunting forum had a guy shooting a woodchuck at 2500+ and there have been articles in the varmint & rifle mags about guys building for 2500 and 3000 using high rise scope mounts (8, 10, 12” above bore) and hitting the gong at that distance. VHA has categories for 1000 & 1500 kills on Prairie Dogs. How long ago did scoped 1000 yard shooting events really come about. Are they starting to get passé? What with 10 shots into 5" and less! Clifford "Skip" Talbot, deceased July 1st, founded the 50 Caliber Shooters Assn in 1985. Just wanted to see if it could be done...I know that .50 BMG goes subsonic at about 2500M and that causes problems onto its own. Any suggestions, advice would be greatly appreciated. Also posted at Long Range Target Shooting & Nation of Rifleman Thank you in advance SeekHer When the human race dies out it will be because it was brainwashed to be so totally, completely, utterly safe that it no longer dared to keep on living!