ELR without laser

Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by Roe, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. Roe

    Roe Well-Known Member

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    1060 meters is 1159 yards, so I guess this qualifies to ELR.

    Just showing one way to do it, I reckon most of you -have- lasers and find the post somewhat daft

    I didn't hit any of the plotted targets on the first shot, but still happy with performance. The reticle is FFP MIL if you wonder about target size.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeYgJRQG7ps]Longrange blog 76: Snipertool - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. HARPERC

    HARPERC Well-Known Member

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    I saw your name and knew there would be something good to watch. A little more on equipment would be good. Interesting method, new to me. Very good video!
     

  3. varmintH8R

    varmintH8R Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting method and nice video. No first shot hits but pretty damn close!

    Beautiful area!
     
  4. Litehiker

    Litehiker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for this interesting and properly detailed video. Excellent shooting. Even the miss would have been a fatal hit on a deer sized animal.

    And thanks for the very good camera work with good continuity from data card to map to target amd back again. This is a good video to watch several times for your attention to detail and procedure. "God built the universe with details."

    I'm so lazy I just do the following out here in the Mojave Desert:

    1. Range the target with my Bushnell Fusion ARC 1 Mile laser rangefinder 10 X 42 binoculars.

    2. Use the binocular readout for distance AND recommended mil adjustment (the ARC 1 Mile binos have a built in ballistic compensation for most commercial loads. One enters their load category [A through G] into the binos from Bushnell's online ballistic charts.)

    3. Using my ERS 3.5 - 21 X 50mm tactical scope with H 59 reticle, place the correct reticle mil hash mark on the target as recommended by binoculars.

    4. Adjust to horizontal mil marks left or right for wind correction - if necessary.

    5. Fire and observe hit location.

    6. If a miss the target then I move the hash mark that is on the observed hit over to the target and fire again. Virtually garanteed 2nd round hit if all environmental & shooter conditions remain equal.

    Yeah, those LRF binoculars and the Horus 59 reticle in the ERS tactical scope really work together very well. Virtually no turret turning necesary with that reticle. Both of these products show that Bushnell has become very serious about quality and design.

    **The shooter does have to use the LRF binos and shoot at a known distance range to learn just how close the 1 Mile ARC binos "recomended" mil adjustment is to reality at various distances as each rifle is different. This is especially true for handloads or even with the same bullet weight but different brands of ammo. Different ammo brands have different powders, load weights and bullet shapes.

    Shooting at 4 or 5 different known and bino ranged distances per load is the best way to know how close the binocluar's ballistic chart recommendation is to reality. Write down the difference (+ or -) between recommended mil adjustments the and actual mil adjustments for each distance and tape them to your rifle stock for quick reference in the field. These are your "come-ups". So far with .300 Win. mag. 180 gr. Hornady SST loads the differences are in only in 10ths of a mil, showing the ballistic chart groups are very accurate. (See Bushnell's charts to understand the pains they have taken in creating them.)

    But when I begin handloading Berger's 30 caliber, 230 grain Hybrid Tactical bullets for the .300 Win. mag. I will have to create my own ballistic chart and see where it most closely fits the Bushnell charts, if at all. Those bullets are reported to have amazing ballistics beyond 1,000 meters.

    I may just have my Rem. 700 target rifle rechambered to .300 Norma mag to squeeze better balistics from .30 caliber loads.
     
  5. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    Very good,there is more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. I have range card made up because I hunt alot in weather where lazer doesnt work.. As in period
     
  6. Litehiker

    Litehiker Well-Known Member

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    SP6X6,

    I agree, sometimes fog, snow or rain won't let a LRF work at all.

    In those situations I have a "Mildot Master" range estimation logrithmic slide calculator and a Horus ASLI (Angle Slope Level Indicator) on my scope for times when the weather won't let me lase a target. That Mildot Master really works if you know your target's average measurements. I've used it to get 1st shot hits on groundhogs out to 450 meters.
     
  7. brian b

    brian b Well-Known Member

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    That is a piece of cake. get a Wild optical rangefinder and it will range out to 3000 meters without a laser (-:
     
  8. Bravo 4

    Bravo 4 Well-Known Member

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    Ranging off a map, a technique we use. We teach it for a variety of things like land navigation and forward observer proceedures as well.
     
  9. 270 MKV

    270 MKV Well-Known Member

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    thanks for posting this!!
     
  10. Roe

    Roe Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for the late replies, have been busy with other products.

    Glad you enjoyed!