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<blockquote data-quote="aspenbugle" data-source="post: 719798" data-attributes="member: 6481"><p>Good. We are on the same page I think. Yes, definitely, if I didn't make it clear I wasn't discounting the need to know the wind and adjust - even at 500-600, especially if it is doing much. I was just talking about a 30 degree temp swing or changing elevation by a few thousand feet. Elk Hunter - you are right, units are getting smaller, and you can have all-in-one fairly easily - why not use em then. I agree. I was just pointing out, if you didn't have the equip yet, you shouldn't feel "scared into" getting it for just 700 yd and less shots (although you still need to know wind, no matter what). I also agree 100% if you are into the long range game, why not use them at even the "shorter" distances and practice, practice, practice...it is all good training, helping you be smoother with the process and even more ready for the longer stuff when you do need it. I agree. Only a newbie just getting going with an elk rifle, talking shorter ranges should't be told you "gotta have it" or you'll miss your elk at 575 yds. I agree, if you got it, and you feel better about the shot using it - by all means use it. Again, it just came across as "you gotta have this stuff or any small weather changes will make you miss or maim the elk" - not true. "you don't have to have all this gear for 500-600 stuff, but it doesn't hurt to have it, it's good practice, and you'll want it for further out stuff eventually anyway (and some of the other pros you list)" - that just seems a little more accurate way of saying it.</p><p></p><p>I also agree on the powder statement. I was just trying to account for the extreme - if someone was using a temp sensitive powder, it could definitely affect drop and thus the need for a weather station. Keeping them warm is a way to mitigate that, especially if your gun really shoots well with it. I agree...better to just get a temp stable powder and verify how it performs under diff. temps.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't make it sound like if you JUST use a drop chart - a person must just be flinging them out there with a factory rifle and no practice. Here is my "drop chart" bull (I went ugly early - he wasn't big, but it was hot, dry, and I said, what the heck the second morning). I had an impromtu rest on the mountainside, but I wasn't just "aiming for elk". The first shot was a bit further back than ideal, so as he was standing around deciding if he was dead or not, I sent another one to make the decision easier. This is my 300 yard group with my custom rifle - 1" not bad - and that's consistent, not just a "hero"group. I'm just switching to the 1000 yard stuff, and need to practice with the software and weather stations and stuff...I was just more comfortable (until more practice) with just using my drop chart - plus I often only get short amounts of time to shoot before they go into trees, so I needed to keep it simple. I'll go shoot 100 rocks this summer and get practiced up good with using all the gear - so I can do it quick and efficiently maybe at 1000 yds next season.</p><p></p><p>Buano - you are totally right. Like this bull, the first shot was gonna kill him, but he still stood there for 15 secs. I didn't want to take the chance, so shot again. If that shot was in the guts, a person could definitely mistake it for a miss as he ran off. I agree...you shouldn't be shooting if you don't feel comfortable you can hit small spots in the vital area at that range.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aspenbugle, post: 719798, member: 6481"] Good. We are on the same page I think. Yes, definitely, if I didn't make it clear I wasn't discounting the need to know the wind and adjust - even at 500-600, especially if it is doing much. I was just talking about a 30 degree temp swing or changing elevation by a few thousand feet. Elk Hunter - you are right, units are getting smaller, and you can have all-in-one fairly easily - why not use em then. I agree. I was just pointing out, if you didn't have the equip yet, you shouldn't feel "scared into" getting it for just 700 yd and less shots (although you still need to know wind, no matter what). I also agree 100% if you are into the long range game, why not use them at even the "shorter" distances and practice, practice, practice...it is all good training, helping you be smoother with the process and even more ready for the longer stuff when you do need it. I agree. Only a newbie just getting going with an elk rifle, talking shorter ranges should't be told you "gotta have it" or you'll miss your elk at 575 yds. I agree, if you got it, and you feel better about the shot using it - by all means use it. Again, it just came across as "you gotta have this stuff or any small weather changes will make you miss or maim the elk" - not true. "you don't have to have all this gear for 500-600 stuff, but it doesn't hurt to have it, it's good practice, and you'll want it for further out stuff eventually anyway (and some of the other pros you list)" - that just seems a little more accurate way of saying it. I also agree on the powder statement. I was just trying to account for the extreme - if someone was using a temp sensitive powder, it could definitely affect drop and thus the need for a weather station. Keeping them warm is a way to mitigate that, especially if your gun really shoots well with it. I agree...better to just get a temp stable powder and verify how it performs under diff. temps. Don't make it sound like if you JUST use a drop chart - a person must just be flinging them out there with a factory rifle and no practice. Here is my "drop chart" bull (I went ugly early - he wasn't big, but it was hot, dry, and I said, what the heck the second morning). I had an impromtu rest on the mountainside, but I wasn't just "aiming for elk". The first shot was a bit further back than ideal, so as he was standing around deciding if he was dead or not, I sent another one to make the decision easier. This is my 300 yard group with my custom rifle - 1" not bad - and that's consistent, not just a "hero"group. I'm just switching to the 1000 yard stuff, and need to practice with the software and weather stations and stuff...I was just more comfortable (until more practice) with just using my drop chart - plus I often only get short amounts of time to shoot before they go into trees, so I needed to keep it simple. I'll go shoot 100 rocks this summer and get practiced up good with using all the gear - so I can do it quick and efficiently maybe at 1000 yds next season. Buano - you are totally right. Like this bull, the first shot was gonna kill him, but he still stood there for 15 secs. I didn't want to take the chance, so shot again. If that shot was in the guts, a person could definitely mistake it for a miss as he ran off. I agree...you shouldn't be shooting if you don't feel comfortable you can hit small spots in the vital area at that range. [/QUOTE]
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