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The Basics, Starting Out
Does energy = lethality?
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<blockquote data-quote="bigngreen" data-source="post: 1586953" data-attributes="member: 13632"><p>I think many of us are trying to get across that after a LOT of elk we see patterns, the pattern is clean kills with chambering a guy shoots well, if a 6.5 CM is what a guy hammers with and shoots a lot then go with it and learn your capability with it in given conditions, forcing a chambering a guy isn't comfortable with leads to poor shot placement which leads to wrecks, lets focus on what it takes to put quality shots in the boiler room first THEN add horsepower and range.</p><p>Instead of focusing on the what if and reacting to it with way to much rifle for the shooter lets focus on rifles that a guy will put range time on and develop muscle memory with and put that first shot dead on. Especially talking elk very few guys can regularly hit a moving elk, if they botch their first round I've never seen someone pull it together and pile drive one, and every shot after the first one just kicks the after burners on that much more. The sweet spot for the most lethal elk killing a guy will do is in that 600-800 yard range, if you've done your work they are at ease and have no idea your there, you have enough time to pull it together and do a couple dry fires then wait for that one shot your looking for, they take the hits sooo much harder that up close too and you have way more opportunities at those ranges to get a quality second shot if needed.</p><p>In our group I have never seen an elk not killed clean on the first round out beyond 1000 yards, I have watched many guys shooting way beyond their capability and they aren't even putting round close to an elk, I know it's cool to blame long range hunting for bad stuff but those same guys who just lob rounds at elk have been the same guys all along but back in the day they were just slob hunters now you see guys like that clown Randy the Real Gunsmith trying to bolster his view point by lumping the groups of guys who never did and never will do the work to make clean one shot kills with guys who strive for clean one shot kills but just do it at a range they can't wrap their minds around, I find that very frustrating!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigngreen, post: 1586953, member: 13632"] I think many of us are trying to get across that after a LOT of elk we see patterns, the pattern is clean kills with chambering a guy shoots well, if a 6.5 CM is what a guy hammers with and shoots a lot then go with it and learn your capability with it in given conditions, forcing a chambering a guy isn't comfortable with leads to poor shot placement which leads to wrecks, lets focus on what it takes to put quality shots in the boiler room first THEN add horsepower and range. Instead of focusing on the what if and reacting to it with way to much rifle for the shooter lets focus on rifles that a guy will put range time on and develop muscle memory with and put that first shot dead on. Especially talking elk very few guys can regularly hit a moving elk, if they botch their first round I've never seen someone pull it together and pile drive one, and every shot after the first one just kicks the after burners on that much more. The sweet spot for the most lethal elk killing a guy will do is in that 600-800 yard range, if you've done your work they are at ease and have no idea your there, you have enough time to pull it together and do a couple dry fires then wait for that one shot your looking for, they take the hits sooo much harder that up close too and you have way more opportunities at those ranges to get a quality second shot if needed. In our group I have never seen an elk not killed clean on the first round out beyond 1000 yards, I have watched many guys shooting way beyond their capability and they aren't even putting round close to an elk, I know it's cool to blame long range hunting for bad stuff but those same guys who just lob rounds at elk have been the same guys all along but back in the day they were just slob hunters now you see guys like that clown Randy the Real Gunsmith trying to bolster his view point by lumping the groups of guys who never did and never will do the work to make clean one shot kills with guys who strive for clean one shot kills but just do it at a range they can't wrap their minds around, I find that very frustrating!! [/QUOTE]
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