Do You Have a Responsibility To Fight?

Discussion in 'Politics Of Hunting And Guns (NOT General Politics' started by Joel Russo, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. Joel Russo

    Joel Russo Official LRH Sponsor

    Jul 5, 2006
    Some food for thought Gentelmen...

    If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

    This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking, but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating, but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.

    PS: Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
    "Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan , grew up in the Indiana , Illinois , and Texas , and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan . Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan . His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name of "D.H. Garrison, Jr."

    Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
    Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison

    I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not John Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.

    About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

    If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God?The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.

    Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority”developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
    Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Benjamin Franklin

    Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.

    I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
    Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns.If you want to research this decision further you can start here.

    For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:

    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
    government." -Thomas Jefferson

    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence …
    From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and
    happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference –they
    deserve a place of honor with all that is good." -George Washington

    "The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own
    arms." -Samuel Adams

    I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People”will lose our power of enforcement.
    We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives (?)” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.

    A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.

    Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
    It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

    If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right (obligation?) to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson ’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
    Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their“elected servants(?)” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.

    Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.

    I am not the “subversive” here, it is the "political representatives (?)" who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
    If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
    This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
    I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
    I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They (the "OFFICIALS") are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.

    I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us (an overt act of aggression) and we will act accordingly. We are within our Constitutional rights to do so.

    For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself this very simple but important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have already chosen your side;

    Are you willing to die to take my guns?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.
    "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him --- better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
  2. mtnwrunner

    mtnwrunner Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2009
    No other response is needed from me---YES.


  3. jkupper

    jkupper Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2013
    I am in. That was a very fine article!!!
  4. Wile E Coyote

    Wile E Coyote Well-Known Member

    Nov 22, 2010

    The four boxes that support Liberty;
    1. Soap Box
    2. Ballot Box
    3. Jury Box
    4. Cartridge Box
    In that order. .. and think well before using any.
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2013
  5. Joe King

    Joe King Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    very much in line with why I feel that we all should concealed carry:)
  6. tinman13kup

    tinman13kup Well-Known Member

    Aug 15, 2011
    It sounds good in theory, but I think you would find too many would not act. People who would join in have their own thresholds as to when action should be taken. You have the "people didn't need those anyhow" crowd, the "it's not MY gun" crowd, the "it's not my house" group, and the "I'll wait and see if others deal with it first" crowd.

    Between those groups and those who WOULD take the initial stand, it would result in isolated incidents and be overwhelmed fairly quick. It might serve as a primer for a more united stand, but communications and organization would be lacking.

    I think the government knows this, and understands if they take small incremental steps with "alternatives" (in their opinion), they can avoid any type of organized standing other than protests. They will always say "you don't need this, but you can use that", which avoids backing gunowners into the proverbial corner.
  7. Ludicrous

    Ludicrous Well-Known Member

    Apr 15, 2012
    I'll just grab my double barrel shotgun and fire two rounds into the air...:rolleyes:
  8. mtnwrunner

    mtnwrunner Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2009
    Yes, it would be really interesting to find out exactly who is made of what when the crap hits the fan. This subject was brought up on another forum and a lister there said something to the effect that a bunch of guys with rifles are't going to hold off the united states military. And another lister said, and I quote, "Isn't that what of bunch of old bearded goat herders have been doing for about 10 years?"

    In any case, I will be at the head of the line.

  9. bigbuck

    bigbuck Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    I would ike to draw attention to what has already been said .

    " The time for speaking in code is over "

    "Are you willing to Die to take my Guns"......

    I think we need to be more open to our co workers , friends, church members . Down at the ball field basically anyone that we may come into contact with concerning our 2nd Ammendment rights !

    Did Jessy Jackson or Martin Luther King do what they did by setting in the corner and keeping their mouths shut ?? Nope, they believed in something and spoke loudly what they believed .

    "We the people" need to speak out and speak up !!!!

    I have children so I would not only be fighting for my 2nd Ammendment right but I would be fighting for there 2nd Ammendment as well . If the 2nd falls then America will fall . This is my opinion on the Issue.

    I am not afraid to put into print that I will give my life so that my children can enjoy the same freedom that I have had the privalege to enjoy.
  10. bigbuck

    bigbuck Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    Someone said " that a bunch of guys with rifles aren't going to hold off the unite states military"

    Some of those "united states military" will be FULL BLOODED Americans and just might have a BIG problem firing on their own country men .

    I see Obama bringing in the UN if an uprising breaks out (just my opinion)
  11. Red hunter

    Red hunter Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2012
    A true patriot once said " Give me liberty or give me death" . I am with that guy.
  12. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2008
    If the Progessives were so bold as to have it came to a state where the decision was to take your guns,I think the reaction from millions of Americans would likely react as this article suggests. Living in a "Blue State", I can assure you that the strategy of the Progressives is not so vulgar. The cowards will use back door methods over an extended period of time to take a small bite at a time. Your rights get chipped away in small chunks so you have no event that will force a major reaction. This is well on it's way in places like NJ, MA, Ca, ect. Now you see the slow death of our rights moving to places like Colorado and Maine, spreading to the rural areas of the country. Example, they won't take your guns, they will make ammo difficult to get. They will cut off supply. The governments plan in the 1800's to eliminate the American Indian began with the elimination of the buffalo, but it was positioned to the American people very differently. If everyone focuses on the "big" event of gun confiscation, they may not see the small actions that are very additive. I think this is why we need to focus very heavily on the smaller actions that will be presented as palatable policies. When they are all added up someday, guns will be an oddity of the past. FIRE any politician that violates our rights and support groups like the NRA. IMHO
  13. Holmes

    Holmes Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2002
    Well stated and underscores the reason we must not yield to ANY form of 2nd Amendment infringement attempted by the opposition and we must not allow division amongst ourselves.
  14. rick523

    rick523 Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2012
    I'm not a goat herder,but I am old and bearded, but still have some fight left in me. Sooo it's +1 for me.