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<blockquote data-quote="DartonJager" data-source="post: 1301483" data-attributes="member: 95733"><p>Snow,</p><p>To be absolutely clear I was once a tremendous fan of Leupold optics as I own both their binoculars as well as six of their older long discontinued VariX-II scopes. </p><p>2-VariX-II 3-9x40</p><p>2-VariV-II 2-7x33</p><p>2-VariX-II 4-12x40</p><p>1-wind river 8x32</p><p>1-wind river 10x42</p><p>So I am rather fond of their products. I bought my first Leupold product the WR 10x42 binos after much research way back in the pre internet days in the very early 90's, about 91 or 92. </p><p> </p><p>So naturally they were high on my list of scopes to buy for mid range hunting. I was as surprised as I was disappointed when I (after I bought) discovered so many (and there were a lot of them) threads reporting (many in great detail) problems with Leupold scopes particularly the VX/1-VX/3i line, had with tracking, returning to and maintain zero.</p><p> </p><p>I was also rather taken back by the outwardly hostile and even at times rabid defense by fans of Leupold who time and again refused to entertain the possibility that Leupolds QC might be degrading in favor of higher profits or what ever reason and continuously dismissed their reported scope issues as being due to the scopes being improperly mounted by the owners or some other owner induced cause anything but a fault on the part of Leupold. </p><p> </p><p>You would almost have to read the responses to believe the level of product loyalty evident in the responders dismissing the posters problems as owner induced. And without fail kept quoting Leupold famous warranty and their answer to the scope issue was W/O fail was ship it back to Leupold. As I said previously a warranty no matter HOW GOOD does you any good sitting on windy mountain side 1400 miles from home in WY or UT. </p><p> </p><p>The single worst example I read was a person who ordered a scope from the custom shop and it would not adjust properly. His gripe was two fold #1-he felt wright or wrong a near $1000 scope should not instantly be suffering problems and #2-the OP felt the fact it was from the custom shop meant the scope should have at the least been subjected to a level of QC that it should have left the factory defect free, let alone with a defect as easy to catch as failing to adjust properly, IMHO I agree 100% with both of these statements. To the contrary a large number of responders to this persons post dismissed his problem by basically saying all companies make a certain no# of bad products and simply send it back to leupold to be fixed and not once considered Leupold for even possibly being guilty of poor or lessening QC in allowing a defective scope to leave their custom scope department. </p><p> </p><p> Make no mistake None of my VariX-II's have EVER failed me in any way what so ever and three of the six sit atop rifles that by their design are as punishing to a scope as a rifle can be. </p><p> </p><p>I am the first to treat ANY information, especially evaluations, of any piece of equipment or mechanical device with a healthy dose of skepticism but when you read several negative reviews you take notice, but when you read several dozen, you have to acknowledge such information as at the least having some basis in fact.</p><p> </p><p>That is why I am returning the scope and are buying a SWFA SS. No the SWFA SS 3-15x44 is not the EXACT scope I want, but it is IMHO the best compromise of wants and needs I can afford.</p><p> </p><p>Another thing that struck me as being disingenuous was a common theme in so many responses that responders kept stating a good reliable medium range (for distances under 800 yards) scope can not be found for under $1000 and scope companies can only afford to make good reliable long range scopes for well over $1K and scopes under the $1K price range are going to have more issues than more expensive ones. Sorry I'm not buying that one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DartonJager, post: 1301483, member: 95733"] Snow, To be absolutely clear I was once a tremendous fan of Leupold optics as I own both their binoculars as well as six of their older long discontinued VariX-II scopes. 2-VariX-II 3-9x40 2-VariV-II 2-7x33 2-VariX-II 4-12x40 1-wind river 8x32 1-wind river 10x42 So I am rather fond of their products. I bought my first Leupold product the WR 10x42 binos after much research way back in the pre internet days in the very early 90's, about 91 or 92. So naturally they were high on my list of scopes to buy for mid range hunting. I was as surprised as I was disappointed when I (after I bought) discovered so many (and there were a lot of them) threads reporting (many in great detail) problems with Leupold scopes particularly the VX/1-VX/3i line, had with tracking, returning to and maintain zero. I was also rather taken back by the outwardly hostile and even at times rabid defense by fans of Leupold who time and again refused to entertain the possibility that Leupolds QC might be degrading in favor of higher profits or what ever reason and continuously dismissed their reported scope issues as being due to the scopes being improperly mounted by the owners or some other owner induced cause anything but a fault on the part of Leupold. You would almost have to read the responses to believe the level of product loyalty evident in the responders dismissing the posters problems as owner induced. And without fail kept quoting Leupold famous warranty and their answer to the scope issue was W/O fail was ship it back to Leupold. As I said previously a warranty no matter HOW GOOD does you any good sitting on windy mountain side 1400 miles from home in WY or UT. The single worst example I read was a person who ordered a scope from the custom shop and it would not adjust properly. His gripe was two fold #1-he felt wright or wrong a near $1000 scope should not instantly be suffering problems and #2-the OP felt the fact it was from the custom shop meant the scope should have at the least been subjected to a level of QC that it should have left the factory defect free, let alone with a defect as easy to catch as failing to adjust properly, IMHO I agree 100% with both of these statements. To the contrary a large number of responders to this persons post dismissed his problem by basically saying all companies make a certain no# of bad products and simply send it back to leupold to be fixed and not once considered Leupold for even possibly being guilty of poor or lessening QC in allowing a defective scope to leave their custom scope department. Make no mistake None of my VariX-II's have EVER failed me in any way what so ever and three of the six sit atop rifles that by their design are as punishing to a scope as a rifle can be. I am the first to treat ANY information, especially evaluations, of any piece of equipment or mechanical device with a healthy dose of skepticism but when you read several negative reviews you take notice, but when you read several dozen, you have to acknowledge such information as at the least having some basis in fact. That is why I am returning the scope and are buying a SWFA SS. No the SWFA SS 3-15x44 is not the EXACT scope I want, but it is IMHO the best compromise of wants and needs I can afford. Another thing that struck me as being disingenuous was a common theme in so many responses that responders kept stating a good reliable medium range (for distances under 800 yards) scope can not be found for under $1000 and scope companies can only afford to make good reliable long range scopes for well over $1K and scopes under the $1K price range are going to have more issues than more expensive ones. Sorry I'm not buying that one. [/QUOTE]
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