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<blockquote data-quote="Broz" data-source="post: 819292" data-attributes="member: 7503"><p>I have 3 stillers going together for a friend now, they are a real value I feel. They come with a pinned lug included as well as a pinned rail also included, the side bolt release and the M-16 extractor. Nice action with a great value there.</p><p> </p><p>My 300 win will shoot with the best of the hunting rigs. It is on a Defiance Rebel. Very very nice action, awesome fit and a finish that belongs in a jewelry store. I have to say it is as nice of an action as I have ever used enough to draw a conclusion on.</p><p> </p><p>My new LRKM is on a Bat. I see the Bat as tough!! This is what I would pick for large magnum builds where pressing the envelope could be possible.</p><p> </p><p>I have built several customs off of the Weatherby Mark V 9 lugs. I like them for the fat cases like a Lapua as they will feel them with no real modifications to speak of. But the draw back on them is the 378 based extractor is a very weak design. Plan on having a few spares in the tool box, it will break especially if you load it up to max. I have changed many of these even on the factory 30-378 and 338-378 rifles. This was the area Wby failed on this action. The smaller bolt face Mark V's use the same design extractor but it has room for a little more meat on it and is stronger. Have only seen one or two of these ever break.</p><p> </p><p>So if I were you, I would look at the Stiller Predator or Tac 30 and the Defiance. The defiance has a little more quality and definitely prettier and you pay a bit more for it. As for accuracy they will both shoot if the time is taken to fit them well to your chamber. So it boils down to looks and price on these two.</p><p> </p><p>Jeff</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Broz, post: 819292, member: 7503"] I have 3 stillers going together for a friend now, they are a real value I feel. They come with a pinned lug included as well as a pinned rail also included, the side bolt release and the M-16 extractor. Nice action with a great value there. My 300 win will shoot with the best of the hunting rigs. It is on a Defiance Rebel. Very very nice action, awesome fit and a finish that belongs in a jewelry store. I have to say it is as nice of an action as I have ever used enough to draw a conclusion on. My new LRKM is on a Bat. I see the Bat as tough!! This is what I would pick for large magnum builds where pressing the envelope could be possible. I have built several customs off of the Weatherby Mark V 9 lugs. I like them for the fat cases like a Lapua as they will feel them with no real modifications to speak of. But the draw back on them is the 378 based extractor is a very weak design. Plan on having a few spares in the tool box, it will break especially if you load it up to max. I have changed many of these even on the factory 30-378 and 338-378 rifles. This was the area Wby failed on this action. The smaller bolt face Mark V's use the same design extractor but it has room for a little more meat on it and is stronger. Have only seen one or two of these ever break. So if I were you, I would look at the Stiller Predator or Tac 30 and the Defiance. The defiance has a little more quality and definitely prettier and you pay a bit more for it. As for accuracy they will both shoot if the time is taken to fit them well to your chamber. So it boils down to looks and price on these two. Jeff [/QUOTE]
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