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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Eichele" data-source="post: 258210" data-attributes="member: 1007"><p>Heavy rifle is subjective. I know guys that think 12-13# is heavy. I know guys that think 10# is heavy. I also know guys myself included that think 16# is heavy. What in your opinion is heavy?</p><p></p><p>Personaly my LR sheep rifle and coues rifle is 12 pounds scoped. To me this is a mid weight rifle. This mid weight is also good weight and constency for 1K shooting. It is a 700 long action, ABS barrel chambered in 300 RUM with a McMillan stock. My back up LR and my standard "carry" rifle for sheep/coues is a 24" 11.25 twist M40A1 clone. Chambered in 308. Same stock. It is EXTREEMLY accurate to 1K. It is by far the easiest rifle I have ever been able to hit concistently to 1K. Very, very accurate.</p><p></p><p>If I personaly were going to build a new coues rifle specifecly for coues deer, I would use a 700 short action, 24" 11 or 11.25 twist barrel in a moderate weight such as the sendero contour chambered in either 308 or 300 WSM with a McMillan HTG stock. Coues bucks are smallish and require more accuracy than energy. This is why I personaly would choose the 308 or 300 WSM. Neither are finiky or hard to load for and both are inherently accurate. The 308 for me has always been my goto rifle for when accuracy matters most. With the right bullet you can cleanly kill a coues buck to 1K with it but the 300 WSM would be better. Now if you wanted a 700-800 yard coues rifle and a 1K pdog and paper rifle the 308 would get my vote hands down. If you want to consitently harvest coues bucks to 1K I would go with the WSM. Remeber, with small critters, accuracy first, then energy. Yes you need energy to open a bullet at 1K. At coues altitudes and temps (even in dec.) the amax's will open just fine but you need to get it in the right spot in the first place. I would use the 178 in the 308 and the 178 or 208 depending on which one my rifle liked best. There are other very accurate cartridges that would make a good coues rifle such as the 280 AI, or 6.5x284. I personaly dont like the 6.5x284 due to its very short barrel life. About 1000 rounds or so. Now I shoot a 300 RUM with the same barrel life expectancy but with the added cost of cases that dont last long and mass quantities of powder I simply cannot afford to shoot it enough to burn my barrel out in a short amount of time. The 6.5 costs much less to operate but cooks just as quick. The cost per shot barrel life ratio just doesnt work for me nor does the lack of energy it delivers. I tolerate the short life of my fire breathing dragon due to the massive energy it delivers. For 1000 accurate rounds I expect something in return. The 6.5 just doesnt offer enough in return to justify the short life. </p><p></p><p>The 280 AI however is about the sweetest long action caliber there is. 308 accuracy with near 7mm mag performance with less kick and better barrel life than the hotter 7mm mags. If you want a long action for bigger bang, I would look long and hard at the 280 improved. If you would like to double up for a coues/elk rig I would look to the 300 RUM, which you already have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Eichele, post: 258210, member: 1007"] Heavy rifle is subjective. I know guys that think 12-13# is heavy. I know guys that think 10# is heavy. I also know guys myself included that think 16# is heavy. What in your opinion is heavy? Personaly my LR sheep rifle and coues rifle is 12 pounds scoped. To me this is a mid weight rifle. This mid weight is also good weight and constency for 1K shooting. It is a 700 long action, ABS barrel chambered in 300 RUM with a McMillan stock. My back up LR and my standard "carry" rifle for sheep/coues is a 24" 11.25 twist M40A1 clone. Chambered in 308. Same stock. It is EXTREEMLY accurate to 1K. It is by far the easiest rifle I have ever been able to hit concistently to 1K. Very, very accurate. If I personaly were going to build a new coues rifle specifecly for coues deer, I would use a 700 short action, 24" 11 or 11.25 twist barrel in a moderate weight such as the sendero contour chambered in either 308 or 300 WSM with a McMillan HTG stock. Coues bucks are smallish and require more accuracy than energy. This is why I personaly would choose the 308 or 300 WSM. Neither are finiky or hard to load for and both are inherently accurate. The 308 for me has always been my goto rifle for when accuracy matters most. With the right bullet you can cleanly kill a coues buck to 1K with it but the 300 WSM would be better. Now if you wanted a 700-800 yard coues rifle and a 1K pdog and paper rifle the 308 would get my vote hands down. If you want to consitently harvest coues bucks to 1K I would go with the WSM. Remeber, with small critters, accuracy first, then energy. Yes you need energy to open a bullet at 1K. At coues altitudes and temps (even in dec.) the amax's will open just fine but you need to get it in the right spot in the first place. I would use the 178 in the 308 and the 178 or 208 depending on which one my rifle liked best. There are other very accurate cartridges that would make a good coues rifle such as the 280 AI, or 6.5x284. I personaly dont like the 6.5x284 due to its very short barrel life. About 1000 rounds or so. Now I shoot a 300 RUM with the same barrel life expectancy but with the added cost of cases that dont last long and mass quantities of powder I simply cannot afford to shoot it enough to burn my barrel out in a short amount of time. The 6.5 costs much less to operate but cooks just as quick. The cost per shot barrel life ratio just doesnt work for me nor does the lack of energy it delivers. I tolerate the short life of my fire breathing dragon due to the massive energy it delivers. For 1000 accurate rounds I expect something in return. The 6.5 just doesnt offer enough in return to justify the short life. The 280 AI however is about the sweetest long action caliber there is. 308 accuracy with near 7mm mag performance with less kick and better barrel life than the hotter 7mm mags. If you want a long action for bigger bang, I would look long and hard at the 280 improved. If you would like to double up for a coues/elk rig I would look to the 300 RUM, which you already have. [/QUOTE]
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