Copper fouling and accuracy

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Smoak352, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    I went to the range yesterday and brought my 270 with pac-nor barrel. The barrel has been broken in properly and has about 50 rounds through it. I noticed at the range that after cleaning the copper out, my accuracy is not as good for a few shots. After about three shots the group shrinks up to about 3/4" (100 yards). Right after cleaning, the groups are about 1.5".

    How long can i go without removing fouling?
     
  2. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    Someone on this site has to know this....
     

  3. JackinSD

    JackinSD Well-Known Member

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    Wow, waited a whole 4 hours before you start wondering why nobody has answered you?

    The answer will depend on your barrel and only your barrel. It might be 10 it might be 100. You will have to shoot it and see when the groups start to open up.
     
  4. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply. :rolleyes:

    To be more specific, let me ask this. How long do you guys go between cleaning with copper solvent?
     
  5. wendlz

    wendlz Well-Known Member

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    I do round count on both of my rifles and they are both different with same pills down the tube with 2 grans difference. One goes to 270 and other one at 310 before spread opens. It's tedious on paper work but it does help knowing how and when to clean. gun)
     
  6. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, thanks!

    Do you guys clean with powder solvent between groups?
     
  7. nchunter182

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    +1 on what Jack said. It depends on how good a barrel you got from them. I have two barrels by PAC-NOR. One goes 12 rounds and it's done - 300 Ackley Mag. The other 280 Ackley - I have not seen any falloff in accuracy between cleanings. Longest I have let it go between cleanings is apx 20 rounds. I usually use copper solvent at every cleaning.

    The 300 Ack barrel is back at PAC-NOR right now being looked at. I told them what it was doing and they said that should not be happening. They have had it almost two months now and I have heard nothing... Hope you have better luck with yours.
     
  8. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    12 rounds? After you clean with copper solvent do your groups open for a few shots?
     
  9. wendlz

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    When done for the day I run oiled patch twice and clean patch when ready to shoot. Sometimes I snake it out when I forget rod.gun)
     
  10. nchunter182

    nchunter182 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, The first few shots don't usually group that well. Most people put a fouler shot or two down the barrel before shooting groups or going hunting.
     
  11. wendlz

    wendlz Well-Known Member

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    It's good to know what your cold bore shot is along with clean bore. Just in case.
     
  12. Smoak352

    Smoak352 Well-Known Member

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    What does this mean exactly??
     
  13. Archery1973

    Archery1973 Well-Known Member

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    I don't clean for copper after barrel break in. Once broken in, I only use M Pro 7.

    Kelly McMillan told me to never clean for copper unless it is excessive.

    Todd Hodnett has said he never cleans for copper either. He took a 1/4 MOA gun and cleaned all the copper fouling. It turned into a 2 1/2 MOA gun. 45 shots later.....it settled back into a 1/4 MOA gun with no copper cleaning. It's in the Magpul video.
     
  14. wendlz

    wendlz Well-Known Member

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    Cold bore -first shot is different in most cases