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<blockquote data-quote="goodgrouper" data-source="post: 203736" data-attributes="member: 2852"><p>Very interesting Kirby. But the whole idea of this cartridge baffles me. It's called a 300 varminter? Well I don't know about the inventor, but around here, varminting is something that occurs year round and in mass quantities. So having a minimum of 100 pieces of brass is necessary if you intend to keep shooting with your buddies all day. 200 pieces is better still. Also, for long range varminting (where precision is a must not an option) brass must be top of the line and made for "match quality". This means neck turning, primer pockets uniformed, flash holes deburred, trimming, and chamfering. All in all, as much as 10 minutes might be spent on each piece of brass. To have a cartridge that that you must throw away your brass after two or three firings doesn't seem much of a varmint cartridge to me. More of an excercise in headaches. </p><p></p><p> Then there is the high volume of shots for varminting. Why take the abuse of a "magnum" just to kill itty bitty rodents out to half mile when there are so many other cartridges that would do that with less fuss and better barrel life? Not saying the 300 varminter has bad barrel life but it sure pales in comparison to a 6br or 6.5x47 lapua that can easily dispatch critters at half mile and still create "red mist" with less winddrift. Out here, it's not uncommon to use up 1000 rounds in a year of varminting and this would be half the barrel life of the 300 varminter at best. And I don't buy the old, "I don't care how many rounds I get" bullpucky because even if you do own stock in a barrel company, you still have to make new brass for the new barrel, break in the new barrel, find a load for the new barrel, and then buy all the new stuff for the barrel and that's not to mention have a gunsmith chamber the barrel, and the wait for the barrel to be made by the factory in the first place!! Time is money, and it takes time to work with a new barrel even if you're Ed SHilen himself and you make your own barrels! </p><p></p><p>I guess I have a different view of varminting than the "inventor". In my mind, he should have called it a 300 predator or something along those lines. In coyote hunting, this round might actually be ideal. You might fire 50 rounds the entire season, you want a flat shooting round to 500 yards so you don't need rangefinders and drop charts to kill the yote in the .3 seconds he gives you to kill him, and brass that lasts two firings is no big deal 'cause you're more likely to lose it in the snow in the excitement of shooting a dog anyway. </p><p></p><p>But to each his own. If touching off 65 grains of powder to kill a p-dog at 700 yards with a bus length of winddrift and having to toss away your brass after doing so floats yer boat, then the 300 varminter is for you! Give me a 6br fast twist, 30 grains of Varget, and a 95 grain Berger VLD and I'll show you what a gun can really do, day in day out, all season long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="goodgrouper, post: 203736, member: 2852"] Very interesting Kirby. But the whole idea of this cartridge baffles me. It's called a 300 varminter? Well I don't know about the inventor, but around here, varminting is something that occurs year round and in mass quantities. So having a minimum of 100 pieces of brass is necessary if you intend to keep shooting with your buddies all day. 200 pieces is better still. Also, for long range varminting (where precision is a must not an option) brass must be top of the line and made for "match quality". This means neck turning, primer pockets uniformed, flash holes deburred, trimming, and chamfering. All in all, as much as 10 minutes might be spent on each piece of brass. To have a cartridge that that you must throw away your brass after two or three firings doesn't seem much of a varmint cartridge to me. More of an excercise in headaches. Then there is the high volume of shots for varminting. Why take the abuse of a "magnum" just to kill itty bitty rodents out to half mile when there are so many other cartridges that would do that with less fuss and better barrel life? Not saying the 300 varminter has bad barrel life but it sure pales in comparison to a 6br or 6.5x47 lapua that can easily dispatch critters at half mile and still create "red mist" with less winddrift. Out here, it's not uncommon to use up 1000 rounds in a year of varminting and this would be half the barrel life of the 300 varminter at best. And I don't buy the old, "I don't care how many rounds I get" bullpucky because even if you do own stock in a barrel company, you still have to make new brass for the new barrel, break in the new barrel, find a load for the new barrel, and then buy all the new stuff for the barrel and that's not to mention have a gunsmith chamber the barrel, and the wait for the barrel to be made by the factory in the first place!! Time is money, and it takes time to work with a new barrel even if you're Ed SHilen himself and you make your own barrels! I guess I have a different view of varminting than the "inventor". In my mind, he should have called it a 300 predator or something along those lines. In coyote hunting, this round might actually be ideal. You might fire 50 rounds the entire season, you want a flat shooting round to 500 yards so you don't need rangefinders and drop charts to kill the yote in the .3 seconds he gives you to kill him, and brass that lasts two firings is no big deal 'cause you're more likely to lose it in the snow in the excitement of shooting a dog anyway. But to each his own. If touching off 65 grains of powder to kill a p-dog at 700 yards with a bus length of winddrift and having to toss away your brass after doing so floats yer boat, then the 300 varminter is for you! Give me a 6br fast twist, 30 grains of Varget, and a 95 grain Berger VLD and I'll show you what a gun can really do, day in day out, all season long. [/QUOTE]
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