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<blockquote data-quote="Ernie" data-source="post: 435735" data-attributes="member: 13"><p>First of all, I would not assume that I am way ahead of you guys in this.</p><p></p><p>What I did not check (should have) was the BP each day. </p><p>My second mistake is I have not kept good notes.</p><p>If I had done this it would have given me more hard info-So shame on me there.</p><p>I think the next level is all about tedious notes, and paying attention to all the little things until you begin to see trends. All those little things can and do make a difference.</p><p>Since I am shooting bullets about 250-300 fps slower (specialty handguns) than what you guys would get with the same chambering, I need to pay even better attention to the conditions to ensure first shot connections.</p><p>I think the Big 7's and 338's (30's to I am just a 30 cal fan) have a real place for LR hunting in that the bullets you have to choose from give us more fudge room for field shooting. </p><p>I think it is important to have a some smaller cartridges to practice in wind for because of cost, longer barrel life, less recoil, etc.</p><p></p><p>I did see a correlation between sunshine and cloudy, with sunshine shooting higher (1/4 less MOA needed).</p><p>Also, on another day I kept shooting high-Had a head wind that day.</p><p></p><p>Mirage bends light and causes us to think we are shooting at one spot only to be hitting another.</p><p>One way to use mirage to your advantage is laser a spot on the ground, get your distance, then adjust your parallax for that distance then move your scope up and now you know what the mirage/wind is doing at that specifc distance. You may have to move it slightly out of focus to see the mirage better, but this is a way you can get your different wind dope when you do not have other wind indicators downrange.</p><p></p><p>I got killed the other day at 800 yards, as I went 1 MOA right, when after I shot I should have moved one MOA left. There was something going on that I missed. Again being in a hurry, I did not take the time to try to figure it out better. Two other guys who shoot LR were with me, and they both missed it/read it like I did.</p><p></p><p>I think these small variances show up at shorter distances 400-600/700 yards, but some times we assume it is other things (like our shooting that day). A 1/4 or 1/2 MOA at mid-ranges is not a terrible, but it will sure mess you up at longer distances.</p><p></p><p>At times we are so happy to just make a hit at long-range we are not making notes of where that is from the last time we shot. </p><p>I should go down the range and measure my vertical hits each time-That would be so much more telling.</p><p></p><p>Topography of terrain is also huge when you have wind-It can really change your vertical too.</p><p></p><p>On a scope note, I feel I have real advantage using Holland's ART reticle, in that I never dial more than 1.25 MOA for elevation until I get beyond 30 MOA.</p><p>I effectively eliminate those problems, plus the rotational mistakes that are all so common for those of us who dial everything.</p><p>I have several scopes with ART.</p><p>If you have any questions about it or this discussion, you can always give me a holler: 307-257-7431</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ernie, post: 435735, member: 13"] First of all, I would not assume that I am way ahead of you guys in this. What I did not check (should have) was the BP each day. My second mistake is I have not kept good notes. If I had done this it would have given me more hard info-So shame on me there. I think the next level is all about tedious notes, and paying attention to all the little things until you begin to see trends. All those little things can and do make a difference. Since I am shooting bullets about 250-300 fps slower (specialty handguns) than what you guys would get with the same chambering, I need to pay even better attention to the conditions to ensure first shot connections. I think the Big 7's and 338's (30's to I am just a 30 cal fan) have a real place for LR hunting in that the bullets you have to choose from give us more fudge room for field shooting. I think it is important to have a some smaller cartridges to practice in wind for because of cost, longer barrel life, less recoil, etc. I did see a correlation between sunshine and cloudy, with sunshine shooting higher (1/4 less MOA needed). Also, on another day I kept shooting high-Had a head wind that day. Mirage bends light and causes us to think we are shooting at one spot only to be hitting another. One way to use mirage to your advantage is laser a spot on the ground, get your distance, then adjust your parallax for that distance then move your scope up and now you know what the mirage/wind is doing at that specifc distance. You may have to move it slightly out of focus to see the mirage better, but this is a way you can get your different wind dope when you do not have other wind indicators downrange. I got killed the other day at 800 yards, as I went 1 MOA right, when after I shot I should have moved one MOA left. There was something going on that I missed. Again being in a hurry, I did not take the time to try to figure it out better. Two other guys who shoot LR were with me, and they both missed it/read it like I did. I think these small variances show up at shorter distances 400-600/700 yards, but some times we assume it is other things (like our shooting that day). A 1/4 or 1/2 MOA at mid-ranges is not a terrible, but it will sure mess you up at longer distances. At times we are so happy to just make a hit at long-range we are not making notes of where that is from the last time we shot. I should go down the range and measure my vertical hits each time-That would be so much more telling. Topography of terrain is also huge when you have wind-It can really change your vertical too. On a scope note, I feel I have real advantage using Holland's ART reticle, in that I never dial more than 1.25 MOA for elevation until I get beyond 30 MOA. I effectively eliminate those problems, plus the rotational mistakes that are all so common for those of us who dial everything. I have several scopes with ART. If you have any questions about it or this discussion, you can always give me a holler: 307-257-7431 [/QUOTE]
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