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<blockquote data-quote="Mikecr" data-source="post: 407382" data-attributes="member: 1521"><p>On this, I totally agree.</p><p></p><p>I hope this is more satire..</p><p></p><p>I say:</p><p>Hunting is not only shooting..</p><p>And 'long range hunting' does not mean risking with shots beyond known capability..</p><p>This is not about luck!</p><p></p><p>But anyway, w/regard to hunting shots, isn't the objective always a clean first shot kill?</p><p>Shouldn't this be the primary capability in shooting, whether using a rifle, shotgun, or bow?</p><p>And with this, isn't 'long range' merely a RELATIVE extension of your capabilities?</p><p></p><p>You begin with what you know, and build up from there. You work hard at it from there..</p><p>You do not just step out of the truck and fire away at far off things to accomplish anything in long range 'hunting'. </p><p>You do not simply sight in a gun at a fixed distance, group well, and moon-walk around implying competency in hunting to any distance or condition.. Right?</p><p>Is there any wonder that these actions would be offensive to those who really have worked hard to extend their capabilities?</p><p></p><p>An example of my perspectives here:</p><p>With months of cold bore load development, and investment and practice with an LRF, Kestrel, and field ballistic solutions, I've determined that my woodchuck killzone capability is 700yrds with a 6br/95vld off a bipod-in the field. I'm a walking varminter.</p><p></p><p>---------Let's say I spot one ~850yrds out----------</p><p></p><p>Does it make sense to shoot at it? Is that what long range hunters do?</p><p>Afterall, I might not get another shot at it today...</p><p>HELL NO,, this is not what competent hunters do.</p><p>Hunting is not about -getting a shot at it!</p><p></p><p>Does it makes sense to consider my capabilities, and conditions, and options?</p><p>Maybe risk not getting a shot at it, for intelligent actions with higher probability of success?</p><p>HELL YES. Well, it makes perfect sense to me..</p><p></p><p>So I pick up my gear and hike down a valley, cross a stream, and two fence lines later I setup in a field within 595yds of the chucks previous position. I've measured air density, bearing, slope, watched the winds, and have a ballistic solution dialed in. My gun's on it's bipod, rear monopod, and level. Now I wait for the rat bastard to look around a bit, and if he does, I get a solid focus on him, possibly re-range, and make final adjustments.</p><p></p><p>Will I get the shot & nail it?</p><p>Hope so, of course,, But I've already had more fun than an 850yd prayer would have provided, regardless of possibility. </p><p>I feel in control, and at least as smart as this marmot.</p><p></p><p>- Some would suggest this is not long range. But they are not shooting my gun, in my fields, are they?</p><p>- Some would suggest that moving closer reduced the accomplishment. But last I knew, stalking is a smart hunting strategy. I spotted the chuck at 850, and might take it with a single shot before the day's end. I also know this is something most shooters just can't do. Either their shooting systems, or they themselves, are not up to the task. </p><p>Maybe they lack resources, or time.. Maybe they are not disciplined hunters.. Maybe they delude themselves with the value of group shooting paper off bench rests..</p><p>In contrast, successful long range hunters should feel pretty good about these challenges -having overcome them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mikecr, post: 407382, member: 1521"] On this, I totally agree. I hope this is more satire.. I say: Hunting is not only shooting.. And 'long range hunting' does not mean risking with shots beyond known capability.. This is not about luck! But anyway, w/regard to hunting shots, isn't the objective always a clean first shot kill? Shouldn't this be the primary capability in shooting, whether using a rifle, shotgun, or bow? And with this, isn't 'long range' merely a RELATIVE extension of your capabilities? You begin with what you know, and build up from there. You work hard at it from there.. You do not just step out of the truck and fire away at far off things to accomplish anything in long range 'hunting'. You do not simply sight in a gun at a fixed distance, group well, and moon-walk around implying competency in hunting to any distance or condition.. Right? Is there any wonder that these actions would be offensive to those who really have worked hard to extend their capabilities? An example of my perspectives here: With months of cold bore load development, and investment and practice with an LRF, Kestrel, and field ballistic solutions, I've determined that my woodchuck killzone capability is 700yrds with a 6br/95vld off a bipod-in the field. I'm a walking varminter. ---------Let's say I spot one ~850yrds out---------- Does it make sense to shoot at it? Is that what long range hunters do? Afterall, I might not get another shot at it today... HELL NO,, this is not what competent hunters do. Hunting is not about -getting a shot at it! Does it makes sense to consider my capabilities, and conditions, and options? Maybe risk not getting a shot at it, for intelligent actions with higher probability of success? HELL YES. Well, it makes perfect sense to me.. So I pick up my gear and hike down a valley, cross a stream, and two fence lines later I setup in a field within 595yds of the chucks previous position. I've measured air density, bearing, slope, watched the winds, and have a ballistic solution dialed in. My gun's on it's bipod, rear monopod, and level. Now I wait for the rat bastard to look around a bit, and if he does, I get a solid focus on him, possibly re-range, and make final adjustments. Will I get the shot & nail it? Hope so, of course,, But I've already had more fun than an 850yd prayer would have provided, regardless of possibility. I feel in control, and at least as smart as this marmot. - Some would suggest this is not long range. But they are not shooting my gun, in my fields, are they? - Some would suggest that moving closer reduced the accomplishment. But last I knew, stalking is a smart hunting strategy. I spotted the chuck at 850, and might take it with a single shot before the day's end. I also know this is something most shooters just can't do. Either their shooting systems, or they themselves, are not up to the task. Maybe they lack resources, or time.. Maybe they are not disciplined hunters.. Maybe they delude themselves with the value of group shooting paper off bench rests.. In contrast, successful long range hunters should feel pretty good about these challenges -having overcome them. [/QUOTE]
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