Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ceg1963, May 6, 2006.

  1. ceg1963

    ceg1963 Well-Known Member

    Mar 29, 2005
    Question or thought?

    Why is it accepted that when one is buying an item from the internet classifieds, that the check or money order, must first appear before the seller ships the agreed item?

    Both parties stand to lose equally if the other is not legit. Seller can lose the item, and the buyer can lose the cash.

    What about a trade? Does the person who initiated the deal wait for the traded item to show up before their item is shipped?

    I buy a bunch of stuff on line. Knock on wood, I've never been stiffed yet.

    But it gets frustrating sending good money out, just to wait for "the trusted stranger" to produce their goods.

    Why can't both parties ship simultaneously? I mean don't both parties in a legit deal stand to lose equally? So why does the buyer accept all of the risk?

    An example: I agree to buy some item. I bust ass to the post office to buy a money order, ship it high speed to the seller, then the seller sits on it until it is convenient for them to ship.

    I traded a rifle with a fella once, and we both shipped simultaneously. We could literally track them in route to the other. It was a pleasing deal to say the least.

    This is wrong, IMHO.

    Just curious what others think about this established system. And does anyone here do anything differently?

  2. James Jones

    James Jones Well-Known Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    What I ike to do if I'm sending any larger amout of money is either pay with a personal check or money order that way you have some mees of keeping track of your transaction. As far as the seller being honest thats just one of those things you have to trust and if they don't come through then you have to take legal action.
    If I sell sombody something ,say a barrel for $200, if the buyer sends the funds priority mail with delivery confermation then I'll ship the barrel as soon as I get a DC number. But iff the buyer sends via standard mail,then I prefer to wait till the funds arive but if its sombody thats a common member here I have no problem trusting their word.
    On a personal note , lately the mail service in my area has sucked hind tit due to most of the post offices in the New Orleans area being damaged buy hurrican Katrina last year. I have bills that show up weeks late sometimes not at all and about 20% of my mail takes an extended time to make it to its destination. For instance , I agreed to buy some bullets from the classified ads here , I mailed a postal money order out , 4 days later it shows up riuned from getting wet it seems that a mail basket that all my mail was in got wet and was ruined. So I had to go down fight with the dip sticks at the P.O. to get my money back for the money order that they ruined and resend another payment. The sell got impatient and reposted the bullets for sale because he haden't recieved payment.

    It basiacly is a trust type deal some folks don't want to trust that you'll send the money.
    If you order something from Bass Pro Shops do you think that they are gonna send it out before they have made sure your money is good?

  3. mo

    mo Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2006
    I would do that, but never really thought about it till now just excepted the way it is. Now day's most people pay with paypal, so it is instant, but is frustrating when the seller sits on his ass. Read the post 2 down from this one.(Rcbs Rangemaster) He doesnt trust me I guess. In that case I would want my money first, because I was just trying to do a favor, and would have to order the scale before I shipped it to him. So not only would I be out the scale, but the money and shipping too. Moe
  4. arthurj

    arthurj Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    A little, recent story for you, my father has been trying to sell a boat this past month. A potential buyer contacted him many times and the deal was eventually closed. My father agreed to let him take the boat upon his receipt of a downpayment(20000$). The boat is in another city so luckily my dad had to reschedule the meeting to turn the boat over to the soon to be new owner. Last week he deposited the check in his account. Two days later he was contacted by the bank and FBI informing him that the check(20000$) he deposited was counterfeit.
  5. duckinalaska

    duckinalaska Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2004
    I have a buddy who posted his '04 chevy 2500 duramax on the Denali trader. A guy sent him a check for $30,000, a cashier's check that is. Well, the bank got a hold af him and told him that it was fraudulent. I tell you what, there are some scumbags in this world.
  6. ceg1963

    ceg1963 Well-Known Member

    Mar 29, 2005

    No, I haven't had any problems like those above. I was just curious what others thought and did.

  7. lovdasnow

    lovdasnow Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2005
    the two circumstances above are referred to as the "Nigerian Scam" and it's been getting pretty popular. My sister lost 4K to this sucks, and then the bank worked her over, but live and learn I guess... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
  8. B Jordan

    B Jordan Well-Known Member

    Aug 27, 2005
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    Why can't both parties ship simultaneously?

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    several years ago when i bought and sold alot of stuff through the Gun List i always did ship at the same time
    but it just seems like since i started buying stuff on the internet that is just the way it is , no trust

    on the other side of it i sent a guy a money order 3 weeks ago for a stock i bought and he has contacted me several times saying that he has not recieved it well some how i lost reciept and just about the time i am thinking for sure that the guy was just a worthess S.O.B. i get the money order returned to my mailbox for some unknown reason if i would have recieved the the stock and he said that he did not recieve the money i would be put in a bad spot thinking he may just want more money or vice versa

    But for me when i buy something i want it right then next day or ASAP i want this stock in my hands right away even though my barrel will be about 6 more weeks lol but i will have to wait just like everybody else
  9. ceg1963

    ceg1963 Well-Known Member

    Mar 29, 2005

    I am with you, I want it ASAP! Hell, I am an American, that is the way we are made up!

    Like I said earlier, I have never had a really bum deal, I was just curious is all.

  10. abinok

    abinok Writers Guild

    Nov 25, 2004
    I always figure the buyer bears the risk since he is responding to the offer voluntarily. Even saying that, youre right, its a "act of good faith" any time you submit, praying that the offer is legit. Seems right to me... though I know of some bass that might argue /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

    me personally, when I sell something, especially here at LRH, or another established and reputable board, I usually ship when the deal is struck, provided its a person I recognize, or by looking at posts, I know that we know people in common. LRH is certanly a closer community than ebay, and thats why I always try and do business here as opposed to "out there"
  11. Fiftydriver

    Fiftydriver <strong>Official LRH Sponsor</strong>

    Jun 12, 2004
    There is alot of scamming going on out there, most of it is not when dealing with lower priced items say under $1500 but for those over this amount the odds of someone sending fraudulant funds is actually getting far more common.

    The bad thing now is that they are getting so good at copying legit money orders and certified bank checks that it can take the bank itself a long time to figure out that it is actually a fake. Often a week or so. By this time the producer has generally shipped the product and now is out ALOT of money and time.

    I know personally, after putting +40 hours into a full custom rifle and getting it as quality as I can, a rifle will never ship until I have total funds and they are confirmed to be legit.

    For those honest people like yourself and most others out there this is a pain I agree. But for us producers, eating a $4000 rifle is not something I can do and have my business survive.

    You bet it would be nice if we could trust everyone but that is not the world we live in today unfortunately. A few bad apples ruin things for everyone. The producers are not looking to cause you trouble, they are just trying to prevent the worthless scum out there from stealing from us.

    Just my opinion,

    Kirby Allen(50)
  12. Jimm

    Jimm Writers Guild

    Jun 12, 2007
    It is good to be able to trust in a situation / person when exchanging money.

    It is becoming more and more difficult to know when you are in that comfort zone .

    FWIW, buying from an established seller should be a simple deal . That is , you tell them what you want , they tell you what it costs and then you send them the money.

    " Established dealer " definitions are always important, well for this it will be easy to use APS , aka Kirby Allen as an example. Track record says that Kirby sends what you order .

    So , with a rep like that all of us are glad to order work by Kirby AND send dollars to begin the process. However in the scheme of things a lot of trust gets misplaced and in the end the trusted seller gets burned by the occasional snake in the grass . This may nort happen often or even rarely but hey ................once is more than enough to hurt , and hurt pretty bad.

    I presently have 4 projects in progress . In some of those I have sent dollars at the beginning , in others it is understood that I am good for it .

    I would not fault an established smith for requiring a substantial sum up front for work ordered .

    It should be pretty clear that the smith has way more to lose than any individual building a rifle .

    Well...............all that being said I must ask , Kirby , if I send you all the money now will you fix my stuff before you fix Buffalobobs ?

  13. ceg1963

    ceg1963 Well-Known Member

    Mar 29, 2005

    In the Army, blocking BuffaloBob like that is just plain wrong! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

    Kirby, I agree with all. Just recently I have been in a spring "cleaning" building craze. I have shipped, and or received over 20 items this week alone. Occasionally, I got real nervous, but all is well so far.

    Thanks all.
  14. royinidaho

    royinidaho Writers Guild

    Jan 20, 2004
    I've been dealing with several on this forum.

    With expecially large fund transfers things have gone smoothly.

    Like the chono from jimm and the ADL trigger guard from JDjones. Fund transfers were almost instantaneous. Same with the WC bullets sent to Budlight. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    I have one project working that I can't give my $ away /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Yet! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

    When sending funds outside the country, though, you have to be aware of the postage fees otherwise you get to mail it several times. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif