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<blockquote data-quote="ndking1126" data-source="post: 1661103" data-attributes="member: 26820"><p>I see the hyperbole in your statement, and understand the sentiment. But if we assume the same stock design/material/recoil pad, the -06 will recoil quite a bit less. Physics doesn't lie. But either way, regardless if we discuss the 30-06 or not, the reality is you don't need a bullet anywhere near that big to do what the OP wants to do. What I love about ballistics and cartridge selection is that this is all very scientific. You don't have to worry about a "magic sauce" or trying to reach an indeterminable (is that a word??) level of energy/velocity to penetrate through vitals and just hope that the animal dies. It's all reasonably verifiable. Also, advances we have made in understanding ballistics, powder, and bullet construction have been great for us as shooters. The bottom line is the OP can reliably do what he wants with a smaller caliber bullet and to me it seems quite misleading to tell him other wise. I know you can find a few stories where a given cartridge didn't down an elk on the first shot. Maybe it was a failed bullet, maybe the elk was dead and didn't know it. There are these stories for every single caliber out there. But there are plenty, plenty more that were successful. Again, I've got nothing against the bigger cartridges. If that's what you want, I'd never try to stop you. I just don't understand why people seem to indicate these big bores shooting at crazy velocities are needed. I really am trying to understand, by the way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ndking1126, post: 1661103, member: 26820"] I see the hyperbole in your statement, and understand the sentiment. But if we assume the same stock design/material/recoil pad, the -06 will recoil quite a bit less. Physics doesn't lie. But either way, regardless if we discuss the 30-06 or not, the reality is you don't need a bullet anywhere near that big to do what the OP wants to do. What I love about ballistics and cartridge selection is that this is all very scientific. You don't have to worry about a "magic sauce" or trying to reach an indeterminable (is that a word??) level of energy/velocity to penetrate through vitals and just hope that the animal dies. It's all reasonably verifiable. Also, advances we have made in understanding ballistics, powder, and bullet construction have been great for us as shooters. The bottom line is the OP can reliably do what he wants with a smaller caliber bullet and to me it seems quite misleading to tell him other wise. I know you can find a few stories where a given cartridge didn't down an elk on the first shot. Maybe it was a failed bullet, maybe the elk was dead and didn't know it. There are these stories for every single caliber out there. But there are plenty, plenty more that were successful. Again, I've got nothing against the bigger cartridges. If that's what you want, I'd never try to stop you. I just don't understand why people seem to indicate these big bores shooting at crazy velocities are needed. I really am trying to understand, by the way. [/QUOTE]
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