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<blockquote data-quote="Len Backus" data-source="post: 120" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>Bullet performance @ ranges above 400 yards </p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Len: Thanks very much for the invite to join the forum - I like the zero tolerance to flaming, negative comments etc. </p><p>My question is based around bullet performance and what those experienced long range shooters use for bullets ( for deer sized game) at ranges over 400 yards. I have a newly acquired 300 Ultra Mag that today is loaded with 180 Partitions. I do not think I need a "premium" bullet, but would like to hear what others are using. </p><p></p><p> posted April 13, 2001 10:13 AM </p><p> </p><p>kirk kelso </p><p>New Member</p><p></p><p>From: Tucson, Arizona USA</p><p>Registered: April 12, 2001</p><p>Posts: 3</p><p> PeterW</p><p>It has been my experience, as well as many long range hunters around me that bullet performance from the so-called premium bullets at long range has not resulted in the desired effect we are looking for. Premium bullets, at long range, tend not to expand as they were intended to do. Throughout my hunting and Outfitting career, I have seen numerous animals, from Coues deer to Elk, shot at long range (450 yds to 725 yds) and the only bullets to improperly perform were the so-called premium ones. They pinholed the animals.</p><p></p><p>I shoot a .300 Weatherby for my long range gun. I load it with the 168 grain Sierra Match bullet. This is the most devastating big game killing bullet I have ever seen. It works equally as well from 50 yards to 700 yards! I would try this bullet in your .300 Ultra, to see if you get the accuracy that you need, but also try the 190 grain. If either of these shoots well in your gun, then don't hesitate to try them on game. I think you will be happy with the outcome.</p><p></p><p>Kirk Kelso</p><p>Pusch Ridge Outfitters </p><p></p><p> posted April 13, 2001 12:19 PM </p><p> </p><p>Len Backus </p><p>Administrator</p><p></p><p>From: Oshkosh, WI</p><p>Registered: April 10, 2001</p><p>Posts: 18</p><p> Peter</p><p>My experience at 400 yards plus is with Nosler Ballistic Tips, Barnes X, and Sierra Matchking. All killed my quarry but the Barnes didn't make much of a hole. The Matchking expanded well as did the Nosler. Both failed to exit but the Barnes did.</p><p></p><p>I think the most important trait in a long range projectile is extreme accuracy over expansion, however. Next, among accurate bullets, I think the most important trait is high ballistic coefficient. This reduces the amount of drift due to the wind. My continuing quest is for the one bullet that will make the smallest groups in still wind conditions with the highest BC. This combo will reduce the effect of any wind estimation errors in more typical field conditions.</p><p></p><p>These higher BC bullets are longer and require a faster twist barrel. I am having two of my 7mm rifles rebarrelled with a 9 twist. Then I will be trying Warren's Lost River bullets and Hornady's A-max. They have very different expansion characteristics but that doesn't matter much to me for a deer bullet. I simply want to use the bullet that strikes the deer in the kill-zone every time.</p><p></p><p>[This message was edited by Len Backus on April 20, 2001 at 07:47 AM.] </p><p></p><p> posted April 19, 2001 10:23 PM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Len Backus, post: 120, member: 1"] Bullet performance @ ranges above 400 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Len: Thanks very much for the invite to join the forum - I like the zero tolerance to flaming, negative comments etc. My question is based around bullet performance and what those experienced long range shooters use for bullets ( for deer sized game) at ranges over 400 yards. I have a newly acquired 300 Ultra Mag that today is loaded with 180 Partitions. I do not think I need a "premium" bullet, but would like to hear what others are using. posted April 13, 2001 10:13 AM kirk kelso New Member From: Tucson, Arizona USA Registered: April 12, 2001 Posts: 3 PeterW It has been my experience, as well as many long range hunters around me that bullet performance from the so-called premium bullets at long range has not resulted in the desired effect we are looking for. Premium bullets, at long range, tend not to expand as they were intended to do. Throughout my hunting and Outfitting career, I have seen numerous animals, from Coues deer to Elk, shot at long range (450 yds to 725 yds) and the only bullets to improperly perform were the so-called premium ones. They pinholed the animals. I shoot a .300 Weatherby for my long range gun. I load it with the 168 grain Sierra Match bullet. This is the most devastating big game killing bullet I have ever seen. It works equally as well from 50 yards to 700 yards! I would try this bullet in your .300 Ultra, to see if you get the accuracy that you need, but also try the 190 grain. If either of these shoots well in your gun, then don't hesitate to try them on game. I think you will be happy with the outcome. Kirk Kelso Pusch Ridge Outfitters posted April 13, 2001 12:19 PM Len Backus Administrator From: Oshkosh, WI Registered: April 10, 2001 Posts: 18 Peter My experience at 400 yards plus is with Nosler Ballistic Tips, Barnes X, and Sierra Matchking. All killed my quarry but the Barnes didn't make much of a hole. The Matchking expanded well as did the Nosler. Both failed to exit but the Barnes did. I think the most important trait in a long range projectile is extreme accuracy over expansion, however. Next, among accurate bullets, I think the most important trait is high ballistic coefficient. This reduces the amount of drift due to the wind. My continuing quest is for the one bullet that will make the smallest groups in still wind conditions with the highest BC. This combo will reduce the effect of any wind estimation errors in more typical field conditions. These higher BC bullets are longer and require a faster twist barrel. I am having two of my 7mm rifles rebarrelled with a 9 twist. Then I will be trying Warren's Lost River bullets and Hornady's A-max. They have very different expansion characteristics but that doesn't matter much to me for a deer bullet. I simply want to use the bullet that strikes the deer in the kill-zone every time. [This message was edited by Len Backus on April 20, 2001 at 07:47 AM.] posted April 19, 2001 10:23 PM [/QUOTE]
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