here is a pic of the doe my brother shot yesterday. the shot was about a 125 yd not long range for me or most of you guys but for my brother it is. he's missed the last 3 deer he's shot at because he gets so excited he can't shoot strait. he can punch paper all day long but put a live target in front of him and you think he was going to have a heart attack so i'm proud of him for finally making a shot. he was using a savage in 7mm mag the deer was quartering towargs him walking bullet went in upper left chest came out in lower front of right quarter DRT.