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BOTW Divorces Berger & Marries Nosler
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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Eichele" data-source="post: 808418" data-attributes="member: 1007"><p>Mark,</p><p></p><p>In so many words, it appears that we are on the same page. I think the biggest difference here is that it really annoys you that the BCs are published as high as they are and I don't care. I guess if that's worst thing we disagree on then thats awesome!! </p><p></p><p>I agree with you 100% about the 215 and 230 being higher than the ALR. That said, I have drawn the line at 210 due to recoil. I have moved away from the 338 for this reason. I used a minimum of 225s all the way up to 300s. I hate brakes and I hate recoil. I'm currently using a 300WM and 208s/210s. I know 5 grains isn't much more but sooner or later I have to set a limit. The recoil while somewhat high is tolerable. I will still opt to use the 208s versus the 210 ALR for deer, sheep, antelope and such. I'll keep the 210s for the bigger stuff. Assuming they can be accurate/consistent enough and open reliably. Otherwise I'll use something else. I'd use the VLD but haven't been as impressed with their terminal performance as many others have been.</p><p></p><p>As you pointed out, the specific gravity is lower in the ALR, hence the reason they're longer than other bullets of the same weight and similar form factors. The added surface area will lower the BC a bit but will be minimal. Sierra proved years ago that stability factors have an effect on BC. It's proved very true in my experiences as well. I hate using too much twist but hate worse being borderline. That said, there is no way that even with the most optimum twist for the 210 ALR that the BC would be as high as it is published. The difference between a 1.1 factor versus a 1.5 or 2.0 won't change it from .65 to .73. BC is affected by stability but not the extreme in the above example.</p><p></p><p>Don't take any of this as disagreeing with you, just sharing my experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Eichele, post: 808418, member: 1007"] Mark, In so many words, it appears that we are on the same page. I think the biggest difference here is that it really annoys you that the BCs are published as high as they are and I don't care. I guess if that's worst thing we disagree on then thats awesome!! I agree with you 100% about the 215 and 230 being higher than the ALR. That said, I have drawn the line at 210 due to recoil. I have moved away from the 338 for this reason. I used a minimum of 225s all the way up to 300s. I hate brakes and I hate recoil. I'm currently using a 300WM and 208s/210s. I know 5 grains isn't much more but sooner or later I have to set a limit. The recoil while somewhat high is tolerable. I will still opt to use the 208s versus the 210 ALR for deer, sheep, antelope and such. I'll keep the 210s for the bigger stuff. Assuming they can be accurate/consistent enough and open reliably. Otherwise I'll use something else. I'd use the VLD but haven't been as impressed with their terminal performance as many others have been. As you pointed out, the specific gravity is lower in the ALR, hence the reason they're longer than other bullets of the same weight and similar form factors. The added surface area will lower the BC a bit but will be minimal. Sierra proved years ago that stability factors have an effect on BC. It's proved very true in my experiences as well. I hate using too much twist but hate worse being borderline. That said, there is no way that even with the most optimum twist for the 210 ALR that the BC would be as high as it is published. The difference between a 1.1 factor versus a 1.5 or 2.0 won't change it from .65 to .73. BC is affected by stability but not the extreme in the above example. Don't take any of this as disagreeing with you, just sharing my experience. [/QUOTE]
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