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<blockquote data-quote="Hard H2O" data-source="post: 3055936" data-attributes="member: 65774"><p>Sometimes the mistake is not knowing our limitations.</p><p></p><p>I was out with a buddy and he was trying to set the iron sights on a .357 lever action. It came to the point when I told him something was wrong with the sight on his brand new carbine. He told me that I was wrong, packed up, and went home. Later he took the gun back and they in fact found something wrong with it. He told me I was indeed right. In shooting it we would move the sight and the point of impact would not agree with what we did with the sight.</p><p></p><p>I was out with another buddy with a slug gun. He did not have enough elevation on the sight attached to the barrel to zero. He told me we were doing something wrong. I talked him through what we were doing and said I could not see how we can get any more elevation out of it. I suggested he get an optic for it. There is not a barrel available with a cantilever or other integral scope mount for that gun so he would have to mount the scope to the receiver for deer, remove it for birds, then remount and zero as needed. He took the gun in and they affirmed what I told him and what we saw at the range. I believe he bit the bullet and bought a dedicated shotgun for one of the intended pursuits. </p><p></p><p>I had a different buddy out with his first rifle. He went against my suggestion and bought a Ruger American in .450 Bushmaster for his first gun. He does not hunt. He just wanted to get started shooting. My suggestions to him were very different from what he bought. He had the store he bought it at mount a Vortex optic of some sort on top. We started out OK. First shots on paper. Got it zeroed. Shooting and gun is beating him up a bit. Groups start opening up. Not sure what to attribute that to. Easy answer is new shooter with a hard recoiling firearm. Correct answer ended up being the scope mount loosening up. Their boresighting was good but the rest of the job was crappy. Vortex ended up warrantying the scope. Buddy asked if the scope being loose could damage it. I did not have an answer for that. I assume not but he ended up with a new scope. </p><p></p><p>People do make mistakes. People do not listen to others. I am not an expert but I know things. I know when to ask for help. I know what I do not know. I know how to get a gun on paper and zeroed. I know when scopes and sights do not act as they should and you are doing things right then maybe it is the firearm itself. If you are not on paper I know tricks to determine how much and how to get you on paper.</p><p></p><p>It is funny the number of times you see people disregarding or second guessing how to dial an optic to zero it. It is not rocket science. People have trouble withe the angular relationship of a firearm to the target. You sometimes need to exaggerate the movement of the sight to get the point across.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hard H2O, post: 3055936, member: 65774"] Sometimes the mistake is not knowing our limitations. I was out with a buddy and he was trying to set the iron sights on a .357 lever action. It came to the point when I told him something was wrong with the sight on his brand new carbine. He told me that I was wrong, packed up, and went home. Later he took the gun back and they in fact found something wrong with it. He told me I was indeed right. In shooting it we would move the sight and the point of impact would not agree with what we did with the sight. I was out with another buddy with a slug gun. He did not have enough elevation on the sight attached to the barrel to zero. He told me we were doing something wrong. I talked him through what we were doing and said I could not see how we can get any more elevation out of it. I suggested he get an optic for it. There is not a barrel available with a cantilever or other integral scope mount for that gun so he would have to mount the scope to the receiver for deer, remove it for birds, then remount and zero as needed. He took the gun in and they affirmed what I told him and what we saw at the range. I believe he bit the bullet and bought a dedicated shotgun for one of the intended pursuits. I had a different buddy out with his first rifle. He went against my suggestion and bought a Ruger American in .450 Bushmaster for his first gun. He does not hunt. He just wanted to get started shooting. My suggestions to him were very different from what he bought. He had the store he bought it at mount a Vortex optic of some sort on top. We started out OK. First shots on paper. Got it zeroed. Shooting and gun is beating him up a bit. Groups start opening up. Not sure what to attribute that to. Easy answer is new shooter with a hard recoiling firearm. Correct answer ended up being the scope mount loosening up. Their boresighting was good but the rest of the job was crappy. Vortex ended up warrantying the scope. Buddy asked if the scope being loose could damage it. I did not have an answer for that. I assume not but he ended up with a new scope. People do make mistakes. People do not listen to others. I am not an expert but I know things. I know when to ask for help. I know what I do not know. I know how to get a gun on paper and zeroed. I know when scopes and sights do not act as they should and you are doing things right then maybe it is the firearm itself. If you are not on paper I know tricks to determine how much and how to get you on paper. It is funny the number of times you see people disregarding or second guessing how to dial an optic to zero it. It is not rocket science. People have trouble withe the angular relationship of a firearm to the target. You sometimes need to exaggerate the movement of the sight to get the point across. [/QUOTE]
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