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<blockquote data-quote="Hard H2O" data-source="post: 3055764" data-attributes="member: 65774">I work at an outdoor retailer. I also RSO at my club.I have a laser that has a magnet on the end with circles etched in. You use the circles to align with the end of the barrel after you stick it on. We sell newer versions that have a pilot that will work for most any chambering. The laser I have works OK. Gets me on paper. We also sell the type that are chambered in the firearm. I have never invested in those. I will be contrary to many of the posts here and say that my cheap laser works good enough. As long as I am on paper I can work from there.I see people at the club often having trouble getting on paper. I usually suggest they move to the 25 yard range and start there. Not everyone is open to suggestion however and I have seen one or two boxes of ammo go down range to no avail. When we are on RSO duty we are not there to help or coach. We are there for safety so there is only so much we can do. We are not allowed to touch firearms except if needed for safety.If I am there shooting I can then help. I usually have a large sheet of paper or I have the supplies to tape a few sheets together. Then I suggest the shooter aim at the top center edge, bottom center edge, right center edge, and left center edge. Often, especially at the shorter ranges like the 25 yard or 50 yard, a hole will miraculously appear on some spot of the big sheet of paper. From there you have a starting point. The big sheet of paper is a great tool especially for those who have just slapped an optic on and called it good.One thing to do is ask what they torqued the screw to. If they ask what that is then you might have a person who is new to mounting scopes and it is best to check that everything is snugged down properly. The one shot zero as has been mentioned works great if they are on paper. If I am an RSO it does require them to have a buddy or help. You have to hold the firearm steady and have someone dial the turrets. It works great when you have someone with a new rifle and one box of ammo and they are too cheap to buy more. They want that one box to get them zeroed and to last them a few seasons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hard H2O, post: 3055764, member: 65774"] I work at an outdoor retailer. I also RSO at my club. I have a laser that has a magnet on the end with circles etched in. You use the circles to align with the end of the barrel after you stick it on. We sell newer versions that have a pilot that will work for most any chambering. The laser I have works OK. Gets me on paper. We also sell the type that are chambered in the firearm. I have never invested in those. I will be contrary to many of the posts here and say that my cheap laser works good enough. As long as I am on paper I can work from there. I see people at the club often having trouble getting on paper. I usually suggest they move to the 25 yard range and start there. Not everyone is open to suggestion however and I have seen one or two boxes of ammo go down range to no avail. When we are on RSO duty we are not there to help or coach. We are there for safety so there is only so much we can do. We are not allowed to touch firearms except if needed for safety. If I am there shooting I can then help. I usually have a large sheet of paper or I have the supplies to tape a few sheets together. Then I suggest the shooter aim at the top center edge, bottom center edge, right center edge, and left center edge. Often, especially at the shorter ranges like the 25 yard or 50 yard, a hole will miraculously appear on some spot of the big sheet of paper. From there you have a starting point. The big sheet of paper is a great tool especially for those who have just slapped an optic on and called it good. One thing to do is ask what they torqued the screw to. If they ask what that is then you might have a person who is new to mounting scopes and it is best to check that everything is snugged down properly. The one shot zero as has been mentioned works great if they are on paper. If I am an RSO it does require them to have a buddy or help. You have to hold the firearm steady and have someone dial the turrets. It works great when you have someone with a new rifle and one box of ammo and they are too cheap to buy more. They want that one box to get them zeroed and to last them a few seasons. [/QUOTE]

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