Bolt vs semi auto...!!!! clasic :=)

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by soundwaves, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    ok here we go with a clasic debate. pls dont change the situation or the debate as the thread goes on....

    so is a semi auto really beter in a medium range stand off fire fight against multiple targets than the bolt gun?????

    l belive not as a semi auto incoreges the shooter to shoot more rapidly and makes him porne to many bad first shots on each taget. ( l know this from quail hunting..l concider my self a good shooter and hunter. l come home with 50-60 quail without missing any shots with my over and under and when l take a semi auto out hunting a tend to get careless. doesnt mater how much l try and concintrate.. the ancoreging felling of having alot of rounds to lay down range makes me become careles when puting leed on the target. ))

    so would like to get your reviews on this. but make shure you know the situations are a medium ranged stand off from 500 _ 200 yards. ( so the enemy isnt comeing through the chimney or your windows :=))
    sorry for any spelling mistakes. gun)
     
  2. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    l forgot to say that the semi autos always bloody jam right when you really need them to work. it hapened to me countles times.
     

  3. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    Are you referring to some type of self defense situation? I think I'm missing something in your post.
     
  4. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    yeah in battle. snipeing dude like war. that is self defance aswell ? you dont wanna die so yeah :=) you a sniper on a hill or in a building and the enemy int gona come into a bulding just a stand off fight. what would you pick? got it now?:D
     
  5. Coyboy

    Coyboy Well-Known Member

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    Well if it came to that I would take these 50 guys with bolt actions, over 250 average infantrymen with semi-autos.




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  6. soundwaves

    soundwaves Well-Known Member

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    lol you would have a terrible intense time to take out 1 or 2 of these guys let alone 50 of em :=))) all these dudes are snipers l checked :=))))
     
  7. Joe King

    Joe King Well-Known Member

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    your right about getting careless with more rounds to send down range immediately, but the higher rate of tends to keep folks heads down. my choice would be to not end up in that situation to begin with, if forced in it i'd try to back off and increase the distance and use a hyper accurate bolt gun, if not possible, gimme a gas gun and a $&$# ton of ammo, cause im probably cornered any way, may as well make it a helluva mess.
     
  8. Bravo 4

    Bravo 4 Well-Known Member

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    Jim,
    I SEE you named yourself.:D
     
  9. Coyboy

    Coyboy Well-Known Member

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    Well if I needed 50 men, I would have to one of them?:D

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  10. Farmer Rob

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    I would think that a mix would be the preferred option, some autos to lay suppressive fire (like there supposed to be) and a few snipers the actually take out the bad guys
     
  11. WildRose

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    In a firefight you want to put as much hurt on the enemy as possible as quickly as possible.

    When I had a choice my favorite rifle on missions was an upgraded M-14.

    As a rule though it is much more difficult to get extreme precision out of a Semi auto much less full than it is to get the same out of a bolt gun.

    It's important to make every shot at a bad guy count but it's also important to lay down enough accurate fire rapidly so as to put their heads down.

    It's very difficult to shoot back accurately when you know the bag guys have direct LOS to where your position is... .