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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 216955" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>I believe it would be very foolish to put Ruger #1 loads in any revolver. I would not use anything stouter then the strong lever action loads to be honest.</p><p> </p><p>If you look at the cylinder wall thickness, its pretty thin compared to even the level action barrels. </p><p> </p><p>Certainly you can load to higher levels then the Hodgdon data but I would never go up to the Ruger #1 level.</p><p> </p><p>Some of those loads are over 60K in pressure, the 500 S&W is not even loaded to this level.</p><p> </p><p>Preceived velocities are often quite different then actual velocities. THe old Speer #11 lists a starting load of 48.0 gr of RL-7 with the 405 gr for a velocity of onoy 1700 fps in a 22" barrel.</p><p> </p><p>Now if you drop 7 grains of powder off that and 10" of barrel length and I would be amazed if you were getting more then 1300 fps in your contender and less then that in your BFR because of the cylinder gap.</p><p> </p><p>Now a hard case bullet is self lubriating so it will drop pressure a bit more so on average you will have even less velocity for a given load compared to a jacketed bullet.</p><p> </p><p>Simply put, unless your 41.0 gr load was a typo, you will be no where near what a 500 S&W will be getting you, your other loads listed would be much higher but the only ones I would even say are comparable as far as on game performance would be the 405 and 440 gr hard case.</p><p> </p><p>Simply put, there is a load of rifle load data for the 45-70. There is no difference between rifle and handgun load data. There is no special handgun loads that will make the 45-70 perform better then it does in a rifle. You just have to use appropriate load data for each firearm your using and both rifle and handgun data will basically be the same.</p><p> </p><p>Nearly 99% of the time, the fastest rifle loads will be the fastest handgun loads. I have checked this in 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 480 Ruger, 7mm-08, 270 win, 6.5mm WSM and many others including the 45-70.</p><p> </p><p>Load data is load data, there is no handgun load data versas rifle load data as long as the handgun is up to the pressure levels of the rifle load data. That is why I would not use the Ruger #1 loads in the BFR. Would it hold together, I am sure it would but there is no need for the added stress on the revolver and its lockwork.</p><p> </p><p>Penetration tests have shown that a heavy hard case in 45-70 will penetrate nearly identical from any velocity from 1100 fps up to 1800 fps. Within a couple inches of each other so why beat yourself up and more importantly beat up your handgun? Higher kenetic energy, yes but that means squat on big game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 216955, member: 10"] I believe it would be very foolish to put Ruger #1 loads in any revolver. I would not use anything stouter then the strong lever action loads to be honest. If you look at the cylinder wall thickness, its pretty thin compared to even the level action barrels. Certainly you can load to higher levels then the Hodgdon data but I would never go up to the Ruger #1 level. Some of those loads are over 60K in pressure, the 500 S&W is not even loaded to this level. Preceived velocities are often quite different then actual velocities. THe old Speer #11 lists a starting load of 48.0 gr of RL-7 with the 405 gr for a velocity of onoy 1700 fps in a 22" barrel. Now if you drop 7 grains of powder off that and 10" of barrel length and I would be amazed if you were getting more then 1300 fps in your contender and less then that in your BFR because of the cylinder gap. Now a hard case bullet is self lubriating so it will drop pressure a bit more so on average you will have even less velocity for a given load compared to a jacketed bullet. Simply put, unless your 41.0 gr load was a typo, you will be no where near what a 500 S&W will be getting you, your other loads listed would be much higher but the only ones I would even say are comparable as far as on game performance would be the 405 and 440 gr hard case. Simply put, there is a load of rifle load data for the 45-70. There is no difference between rifle and handgun load data. There is no special handgun loads that will make the 45-70 perform better then it does in a rifle. You just have to use appropriate load data for each firearm your using and both rifle and handgun data will basically be the same. Nearly 99% of the time, the fastest rifle loads will be the fastest handgun loads. I have checked this in 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 480 Ruger, 7mm-08, 270 win, 6.5mm WSM and many others including the 45-70. Load data is load data, there is no handgun load data versas rifle load data as long as the handgun is up to the pressure levels of the rifle load data. That is why I would not use the Ruger #1 loads in the BFR. Would it hold together, I am sure it would but there is no need for the added stress on the revolver and its lockwork. Penetration tests have shown that a heavy hard case in 45-70 will penetrate nearly identical from any velocity from 1100 fps up to 1800 fps. Within a couple inches of each other so why beat yourself up and more importantly beat up your handgun? Higher kenetic energy, yes but that means squat on big game. [/QUOTE]
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