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<blockquote data-quote="scottyd2506" data-source="post: 1157117" data-attributes="member: 19778"><p>I guess Swaro isn't as high quality as Zeiss then. I have heard good and bad reviews on all of them, even S&B scopes. </p><p></p><p>I agree the term "you get what you pay for" is not always true, although most of the time is it, but sometimes less is more, We have low $$ savages that are more accurate than big $$ Weatherby, Remington, Winchester etc. Now a days we have the Sig Sauer kilo 2000 range finder at $499 besting $900 Leica 1600b's.</p><p> We have $1200 Zeiss 5-25x50 Conquest besting $3000 Nightforce 5-22x56mm scopes for clarity, low light gathering etc. </p><p> Some manufacturers have made some great products in the last 20-25 years, gotten cocky, raise prices, then get lazy and focus on gather $$$ while some other company comes about or some existing company makes a great new product w new technology , and leave the other one in the dust. the high price company is wayyy to arrogant to lower the price, and relies on the FAN boys to keep giving em the $$$ while the rest of us get something that blows em out of the water for performance.</p><p></p><p> There was a time not too long ago I remember Nightforce was no match for Leupolds, then in a few years the top Nightforces where $1300 while the top Leupy was $900.</p><p> I think Leupold may have caught back up with Nightforce in optics if we compare best vs best. People buy the $700-900 Sighton scopes and swear they track as good, have as good or better clarity then the $2500 Nighforce they own.</p><p></p><p> Don't get me wrong here, For hunting low light dusk dawn, I'd rather have my Zeiss, but for my long range target daytime rifle I'm building, If someone gave me the Top Nightforce I'd not replace it and love the features is has. . Nightforce is actually coming out w some a 5-25x 56mm B.E.A.S.T at $4400.00 uses German glass and has a lot of features.</p><p> US military spec- yeah the US military has to ask Nightforce is they would put some good glass in there scopes for them. Sounds more like a Zeiss scope with Nightforce stamped on it. I mean the 5-25 power is something Zeiss uses, Nightforce internals are 5.5-22 power usually. </p><p></p><p> But for $3900 I could get a Zeiss Hensoldt 6-24x 72mm for high magnification, no scope on this planet can touch it, esp for high mag light gathering (minus night vision) the Ginormas high quality schott 72mm has got to suck in the clarity and light at 24x nothing can compare to.</p><p> </p><p> Again I agree with you, $4400 vs $3900 the lesser is better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scottyd2506, post: 1157117, member: 19778"] I guess Swaro isn't as high quality as Zeiss then. I have heard good and bad reviews on all of them, even S&B scopes. I agree the term "you get what you pay for" is not always true, although most of the time is it, but sometimes less is more, We have low $$ savages that are more accurate than big $$ Weatherby, Remington, Winchester etc. Now a days we have the Sig Sauer kilo 2000 range finder at $499 besting $900 Leica 1600b's. We have $1200 Zeiss 5-25x50 Conquest besting $3000 Nightforce 5-22x56mm scopes for clarity, low light gathering etc. Some manufacturers have made some great products in the last 20-25 years, gotten cocky, raise prices, then get lazy and focus on gather $$$ while some other company comes about or some existing company makes a great new product w new technology , and leave the other one in the dust. the high price company is wayyy to arrogant to lower the price, and relies on the FAN boys to keep giving em the $$$ while the rest of us get something that blows em out of the water for performance. There was a time not too long ago I remember Nightforce was no match for Leupolds, then in a few years the top Nightforces where $1300 while the top Leupy was $900. I think Leupold may have caught back up with Nightforce in optics if we compare best vs best. People buy the $700-900 Sighton scopes and swear they track as good, have as good or better clarity then the $2500 Nighforce they own. Don't get me wrong here, For hunting low light dusk dawn, I'd rather have my Zeiss, but for my long range target daytime rifle I'm building, If someone gave me the Top Nightforce I'd not replace it and love the features is has. . Nightforce is actually coming out w some a 5-25x 56mm B.E.A.S.T at $4400.00 uses German glass and has a lot of features. US military spec- yeah the US military has to ask Nightforce is they would put some good glass in there scopes for them. Sounds more like a Zeiss scope with Nightforce stamped on it. I mean the 5-25 power is something Zeiss uses, Nightforce internals are 5.5-22 power usually. But for $3900 I could get a Zeiss Hensoldt 6-24x 72mm for high magnification, no scope on this planet can touch it, esp for high mag light gathering (minus night vision) the Ginormas high quality schott 72mm has got to suck in the clarity and light at 24x nothing can compare to. Again I agree with you, $4400 vs $3900 the lesser is better. [/QUOTE]
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