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<blockquote data-quote="Long Time Long Ranger" data-source="post: 435821" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>Long range rifles and cars are very similar. I drive a 1992 Buick Riviera every day. The last of the plush, luxury sport sedans. It gets 26 MPG in plush leather luxury and electronics that are closer to whats found in an airplane than a car. $40,000-$50,000 to replace it. The new one would not beat it in any way but would keep me up with the Jones's. </p><p> </p><p>I have a 1979 model 338-378 wby that shoots the 300 grain smk at 3060 fps and weighs 10-3/4 pounds. I could spend several thousand dollars for a new one but 31 years later I can't beat it in that weight rifle. </p><p> </p><p>In both cases you have got to take care of them. Barrels and cars wear out if you don't. The car has 176,000 miles and the rifle over 1000 rounds but both still work great. But bottom line with both I couldn't do much better now than I could way back then.</p><p> </p><p>In both I find as new components come along it changes the playing field. The main things being electronics with cars and bullets with rifles. New high ballistic coefficient bullets are changing the sport and not the calibers or cartridges in a hunting weight rifle. As the long range sport has gained quite a following over the past ten years manufacturers are spending money in research and developement to keep up with the popularity because the numbers are there to support it.</p><p> </p><p>Years back I built my big 338's with 1-12 twists because at the velocities I was shooting it would stabilize about any bullet out there. Always use the minimal twist for best performance. Then as the 300 smk and a few others similar came out I went to 1-10 twist. Now years later I am glad I have those 1-12 twist rifles. New light, high bc bullets are becoming available and I see more in the future that can change the scope of long range hunting. </p><p> </p><p>Most hunters can not shoot a light rifle accurately enough to go beyond 1000-1200 yards on game. Within those ranges bullets like the new light Rocky Mountain bullets, the new ones out of Pensylvania and others may be the best choice for many hunters. Rocky Mountain Bullets offer a 225 grain 338 bullet with a .773 BC. A Pensylavania company offers one in the mid .6's. Run the ballistics of my 338-378 wby with a .773 BC at 3500 fps and you see what I mean. A VLD bullet that light has minimal surface area on the rifling so it is temperamental but can be done and a number of people are having success with them. </p><p> </p><p>I just tried some that were given to me. All of a sudden my 338 winchester shooting 225 grain Rocky mountain bullets is ballistically equal to an improved 338 Lapua shooting 300 grain smk's. Both shoot about 2950 fps. BC's are also about equal. Bullets are changing the landscape and not the rifles. The twists may need to change to keep up though.</p><p> </p><p>So to sum this all up. The calibers and cartridges for long range still do the same thing they have for many years in a hunting weight rifle. Look all through this thread and it is represented by many calibers and cartridges. They are like makes and models of cars. You like Chevy, Ford or Dodge trucks. They all do about the same thing and so do rifles. Rifles kill stuff and they all do it about the same.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>For what I used most the past couple of years:</p><p> </p><p>I have all kinds of long range rifles in every caliber. Lately the ones that got the most use are four rifles. In lightweight rifles a Tikka T-3 light in 338 winchester and a model 700 remington in 338RUM. The Tikka weighs 7 1/2 pounds scoped out and so far I have worked it out to deadly one shot kills at 800 yards. The Remington weighs 1 1/2 pounds more and so far I haven't shot it much past the tikka but the extra velocity gives more pop within that range. It is just hard to shoot light rifles at 1000+ yards with repeatability. I have made excellent hits beyond 1000 with both but I am talking guaranteed one shot kills. That is tougher.</p><p> </p><p>For extreme long range the past two years I am using my old 338-378 wby with a light and heavy bullet and 300 ultramag with the 208 Amax at 3210 fps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Long Time Long Ranger, post: 435821, member: 505"] Long range rifles and cars are very similar. I drive a 1992 Buick Riviera every day. The last of the plush, luxury sport sedans. It gets 26 MPG in plush leather luxury and electronics that are closer to whats found in an airplane than a car. $40,000-$50,000 to replace it. The new one would not beat it in any way but would keep me up with the Jones's. I have a 1979 model 338-378 wby that shoots the 300 grain smk at 3060 fps and weighs 10-3/4 pounds. I could spend several thousand dollars for a new one but 31 years later I can't beat it in that weight rifle. In both cases you have got to take care of them. Barrels and cars wear out if you don't. The car has 176,000 miles and the rifle over 1000 rounds but both still work great. But bottom line with both I couldn't do much better now than I could way back then. In both I find as new components come along it changes the playing field. The main things being electronics with cars and bullets with rifles. New high ballistic coefficient bullets are changing the sport and not the calibers or cartridges in a hunting weight rifle. As the long range sport has gained quite a following over the past ten years manufacturers are spending money in research and developement to keep up with the popularity because the numbers are there to support it. Years back I built my big 338's with 1-12 twists because at the velocities I was shooting it would stabilize about any bullet out there. Always use the minimal twist for best performance. Then as the 300 smk and a few others similar came out I went to 1-10 twist. Now years later I am glad I have those 1-12 twist rifles. New light, high bc bullets are becoming available and I see more in the future that can change the scope of long range hunting. Most hunters can not shoot a light rifle accurately enough to go beyond 1000-1200 yards on game. Within those ranges bullets like the new light Rocky Mountain bullets, the new ones out of Pensylvania and others may be the best choice for many hunters. Rocky Mountain Bullets offer a 225 grain 338 bullet with a .773 BC. A Pensylavania company offers one in the mid .6's. Run the ballistics of my 338-378 wby with a .773 BC at 3500 fps and you see what I mean. A VLD bullet that light has minimal surface area on the rifling so it is temperamental but can be done and a number of people are having success with them. I just tried some that were given to me. All of a sudden my 338 winchester shooting 225 grain Rocky mountain bullets is ballistically equal to an improved 338 Lapua shooting 300 grain smk's. Both shoot about 2950 fps. BC's are also about equal. Bullets are changing the landscape and not the rifles. The twists may need to change to keep up though. So to sum this all up. The calibers and cartridges for long range still do the same thing they have for many years in a hunting weight rifle. Look all through this thread and it is represented by many calibers and cartridges. They are like makes and models of cars. You like Chevy, Ford or Dodge trucks. They all do about the same thing and so do rifles. Rifles kill stuff and they all do it about the same. For what I used most the past couple of years: I have all kinds of long range rifles in every caliber. Lately the ones that got the most use are four rifles. In lightweight rifles a Tikka T-3 light in 338 winchester and a model 700 remington in 338RUM. The Tikka weighs 7 1/2 pounds scoped out and so far I have worked it out to deadly one shot kills at 800 yards. The Remington weighs 1 1/2 pounds more and so far I haven't shot it much past the tikka but the extra velocity gives more pop within that range. It is just hard to shoot light rifles at 1000+ yards with repeatability. I have made excellent hits beyond 1000 with both but I am talking guaranteed one shot kills. That is tougher. For extreme long range the past two years I am using my old 338-378 wby with a light and heavy bullet and 300 ultramag with the 208 Amax at 3210 fps. [/QUOTE]
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