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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 503722" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>No offense taken in any way, I agree with alot of what you say. </p><p> </p><p>I personally believe moose are not as tough as you think they are, they just are so large they can take alot of abuse before going down.</p><p> </p><p>Shot placement is everything, no matter what we are hunting. Because of the anatomy of moose, I beleive there are alot more "low quality" hits then many realize. As you said, some moose go right down.</p><p> </p><p>I know of a situation when good moose was hit solidly, not long range, around 400 yards with a 375 RUM with 260 gr Accubonds at 3100 fps. The bull never lifted his head when hit even though there was a huge SMACK on impact. I was watching through a spotting scope and clearly saw the impact of the shot. The bull was in a frozen meadow so I told the shooter to chamber another round and just get on the bull. He was 500 yards from the nearest cover so we just held there and watched him because I knew the shot was good. The hunter also knew it was a good hit.</p><p> </p><p>After 3 minutes the bull started to realize something was wrong but he never spooked, just stopped eating. He slowly started walking toward some water so the hunter gave him another blow in the chest, again, very little reaction but the bull walked another 20 yards and laid down. We could see the bulls head for 15 minutes before he finally laid down. the whole time, blood was constantly coming out of the bulls nose.... Then finally, he just laid his head down and died.</p><p> </p><p>On three other occasions I witnessed two other bulls taken, one with a 243 Win and 100 gr Partitions, one with a 280 Rem with 150 gr Partition.</p><p> </p><p>The 243 cal bull took the 100 gr partition through the spine and for some reason was dead by the time we got to the bull which was around 30 minutes from the time of shot because we had to make our way around a river.</p><p> </p><p>The bull taken with the 280 was a high shoulder hit that put the bull on his nose as well and died with a follow up shot when we got up to him but he could not move.</p><p> </p><p>I have also heard of accounts from serious archery hunters that say if you get an arrow in the body of a bull moose, you will recover the animal 90% of the time on the same day that the bull was wounded.</p><p> </p><p>That certainly can not be said for elk hunters.</p><p> </p><p>Again, certainly not offended by your comments and do not question them at all but I believe the toughness of moose has more to do with their huge size and ability to absorb punishment more then actual toughness. Still, both need to be addressed to have a successful hunt.</p><p> </p><p>No qualm with your comments at all.</p><p> </p><p>Good hunting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 503722, member: 10"] No offense taken in any way, I agree with alot of what you say. I personally believe moose are not as tough as you think they are, they just are so large they can take alot of abuse before going down. Shot placement is everything, no matter what we are hunting. Because of the anatomy of moose, I beleive there are alot more "low quality" hits then many realize. As you said, some moose go right down. I know of a situation when good moose was hit solidly, not long range, around 400 yards with a 375 RUM with 260 gr Accubonds at 3100 fps. The bull never lifted his head when hit even though there was a huge SMACK on impact. I was watching through a spotting scope and clearly saw the impact of the shot. The bull was in a frozen meadow so I told the shooter to chamber another round and just get on the bull. He was 500 yards from the nearest cover so we just held there and watched him because I knew the shot was good. The hunter also knew it was a good hit. After 3 minutes the bull started to realize something was wrong but he never spooked, just stopped eating. He slowly started walking toward some water so the hunter gave him another blow in the chest, again, very little reaction but the bull walked another 20 yards and laid down. We could see the bulls head for 15 minutes before he finally laid down. the whole time, blood was constantly coming out of the bulls nose.... Then finally, he just laid his head down and died. On three other occasions I witnessed two other bulls taken, one with a 243 Win and 100 gr Partitions, one with a 280 Rem with 150 gr Partition. The 243 cal bull took the 100 gr partition through the spine and for some reason was dead by the time we got to the bull which was around 30 minutes from the time of shot because we had to make our way around a river. The bull taken with the 280 was a high shoulder hit that put the bull on his nose as well and died with a follow up shot when we got up to him but he could not move. I have also heard of accounts from serious archery hunters that say if you get an arrow in the body of a bull moose, you will recover the animal 90% of the time on the same day that the bull was wounded. That certainly can not be said for elk hunters. Again, certainly not offended by your comments and do not question them at all but I believe the toughness of moose has more to do with their huge size and ability to absorb punishment more then actual toughness. Still, both need to be addressed to have a successful hunt. No qualm with your comments at all. Good hunting. [/QUOTE]
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