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<blockquote data-quote="Wile E Coyote" data-source="post: 1035052" data-attributes="member: 28381"><p><strong>Re: Top Conceal Carry Options</strong></p><p></p><p>Jeff, Where I am, concealed carry is a must at all times. I carry a full size SA 1911 most of the time and a stub revolver when I have to have something smaller and lighter. I cannot address the pistols you mention because I don't have them though I have shot the CC II. However, I can tell you a bit about what works for me in holsters and in practice routines. I've come to the conclusion that the holster is just as important as the pistol and the chambering. If you wind up carrying all day, The gun will be in the holster on you all day, every day. If it isn't comfortable, sooner or later, you'll be tempted to leave it home and if one cannot draw it, what good is it? </p><p> </p><p>For the 1911, I have 3 different holsters depending of what I'm doing and what I'm wearing. Why 3? Because I haven't found one that does it all. And I don't think I will. </p><p> </p><p>With the 1911, I started with, and still use most often, with a Galco Concealable belt holster. It is a Outside the Waist Band (OTWB) with a forward cant. This one is good when wearing a sweatshirt or a coat of some sort to afford some concealment. I wear it on the back of my right hip. In this position, the grip doesn't show through the garment as readily as when positioned more to the side. The leather took some time to break in and just like a pair of good boots, it will poke and pinch the first few times wearing it. </p><p> </p><p>This is the holster I am most comfortable wearing and was what I was wearing the one time I had to actually draw on a two legged predator when a situation was going bad fast. I was approached in a parking lot late at night and he tracked me when I changed direction; then flashed a knife. I mumbled and made like I was digging for my wallet and came out with the gun. Safety clicked off and there was an immediate retreat. We all walked away. It happened that fast and ended that fast. </p><p> </p><p>Holster #2 is a CrossBreed Super Tuck ITWB. It's a thick slab of leather with a Kydex shape riveted to it that actually holds the gun. The leather keeps the steel gun off your skin. When worn in the same position as above, it does completely conceal. The down side I find: much harder to draw. You have to get everything covering it off and away before one can draw cleanly. I also don't find it as comfortable wearing it all day long. This has tempted me to not carry a few times. But the gun is no good if you don't have it with you. Another issue I've had with it is the holster and gun riding up and out of the waist band; floating high. It's still under the shirt but absolutely not draw able which means finding a place and time to reassemble yourself. Something that is not always readily available. I don't wear this one often. There are clips that prevent this but the whole rig feels like one has a text book under the belt. </p><p> </p><p>The third holster I have, and just got a few weeks ago, is a Galco Jackass Rig - a shoulder harness type holster. I got this to wear under heavier coats worn this time of year. Sucks having to completely unzip a parka and swing it out of the way to draw. I'm still getting used to it but with the pistol under my left arm it is well concealed yet I can be drawn with a simple unzip; just enough to clear. I've been wearing this when out in the woods, walking the dogs, and doin' chores. I need to practice with this one to get the draw quicker and cleaner but when I get used to it, it may become the favorite. </p><p> </p><p>These holsters are what have worked for me. Whatever you get, just take the time to practice not just drawing but shooting while wearing what ever clothing you use. It is different drawing from work clothes and a suit. </p><p> </p><p>My practice routines include drawing and dry firing at a full length mirror. My wife, G, thinks I'm nuts so I do this when she's not home. For me, it's like archery in that repetition makes one familiar with the gun. I'll load a snap cap in a few magazines and pocket or pouch them just like I would carry. Then draw, dry fire, simulated jam, clear, drop the mag from the gun and new mag in and back into battery, dry fire, simulated jam, clear, drop the mag, new mag in and so on until I go through 3 or 4 mags smoothly. I'll do this blindfolded too because you can't cheat by watching what you're doing. You have to know what the gun feels like and sounds like instinctively. </p><p> </p><p>For live fire practice, I have a place in the woods out back with some chunks of tree trunk stood up to shoot and move around. (The wood was compliments of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago.) I do all the usual stuff but concentrate on being smooth in my motions and accurate to a minute of 9" paper plate out to 7 yards - 21 feet, the Tuller drill range. </p><p> </p><p>During the live drills, once I've got a couple mags worth shot from a combat stance, I spend most of the time shooting from cover or on the move. From cover I mean around stuff, over and under too. I'll also load a snap cap in the middle of a full mag to cause a malfunction and practice clearing while live. I load a bunch of mags and throw them in a box before practice so I don't know what mag has the dummy in it. </p><p> </p><p>Once in a while I'll go shoot in a Wednesday night combat league. This is a place where I can gauge my abilities against others. Quite a few LE and Armed Service represented here along with guys like myself. I can do better than some and can't hold a candle to others. Those are the ones I watch to see their technique. </p><p> </p><p>One last thing about practice I stumbled onto a while back regarding the ammo. For practice I use full power 230 Gn hardball most of the time. No puppy loads here anymore. I want the gun to recoil as similarly as the good ammo I use when I carry. And since I cannot always find the good stuff that runs through my gun, I only shoot the 'old' good stuff when I can find some 'new' to replace it. And that isn't often here. </p><p> </p><p>Some of this may not be conventional but I believe it works for me as I can get most rounds on the paper plates and when I miss, it isn't by much. </p><p> </p><p>I know your original question was probably more about the guns. Again, I cannot speak to any other than I've shot one a few times. This was about how I carry and a bit about my practice routine. I try to shoot it often, though not as much lately as I did when I started to carry a few years ago. I trust you are able to take something from this. </p><p> </p><p>Pete</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wile E Coyote, post: 1035052, member: 28381"] [b]Re: Top Conceal Carry Options[/b] Jeff, Where I am, concealed carry is a must at all times. I carry a full size SA 1911 most of the time and a stub revolver when I have to have something smaller and lighter. I cannot address the pistols you mention because I don't have them though I have shot the CC II. However, I can tell you a bit about what works for me in holsters and in practice routines. I've come to the conclusion that the holster is just as important as the pistol and the chambering. If you wind up carrying all day, The gun will be in the holster on you all day, every day. If it isn't comfortable, sooner or later, you'll be tempted to leave it home and if one cannot draw it, what good is it? For the 1911, I have 3 different holsters depending of what I'm doing and what I'm wearing. Why 3? Because I haven't found one that does it all. And I don't think I will. With the 1911, I started with, and still use most often, with a Galco Concealable belt holster. It is a Outside the Waist Band (OTWB) with a forward cant. This one is good when wearing a sweatshirt or a coat of some sort to afford some concealment. I wear it on the back of my right hip. In this position, the grip doesn't show through the garment as readily as when positioned more to the side. The leather took some time to break in and just like a pair of good boots, it will poke and pinch the first few times wearing it. This is the holster I am most comfortable wearing and was what I was wearing the one time I had to actually draw on a two legged predator when a situation was going bad fast. I was approached in a parking lot late at night and he tracked me when I changed direction; then flashed a knife. I mumbled and made like I was digging for my wallet and came out with the gun. Safety clicked off and there was an immediate retreat. We all walked away. It happened that fast and ended that fast. Holster #2 is a CrossBreed Super Tuck ITWB. It's a thick slab of leather with a Kydex shape riveted to it that actually holds the gun. The leather keeps the steel gun off your skin. When worn in the same position as above, it does completely conceal. The down side I find: much harder to draw. You have to get everything covering it off and away before one can draw cleanly. I also don't find it as comfortable wearing it all day long. This has tempted me to not carry a few times. But the gun is no good if you don't have it with you. Another issue I've had with it is the holster and gun riding up and out of the waist band; floating high. It's still under the shirt but absolutely not draw able which means finding a place and time to reassemble yourself. Something that is not always readily available. I don't wear this one often. There are clips that prevent this but the whole rig feels like one has a text book under the belt. The third holster I have, and just got a few weeks ago, is a Galco Jackass Rig - a shoulder harness type holster. I got this to wear under heavier coats worn this time of year. Sucks having to completely unzip a parka and swing it out of the way to draw. I'm still getting used to it but with the pistol under my left arm it is well concealed yet I can be drawn with a simple unzip; just enough to clear. I've been wearing this when out in the woods, walking the dogs, and doin' chores. I need to practice with this one to get the draw quicker and cleaner but when I get used to it, it may become the favorite. These holsters are what have worked for me. Whatever you get, just take the time to practice not just drawing but shooting while wearing what ever clothing you use. It is different drawing from work clothes and a suit. My practice routines include drawing and dry firing at a full length mirror. My wife, G, thinks I'm nuts so I do this when she's not home. For me, it's like archery in that repetition makes one familiar with the gun. I'll load a snap cap in a few magazines and pocket or pouch them just like I would carry. Then draw, dry fire, simulated jam, clear, drop the mag from the gun and new mag in and back into battery, dry fire, simulated jam, clear, drop the mag, new mag in and so on until I go through 3 or 4 mags smoothly. I'll do this blindfolded too because you can't cheat by watching what you're doing. You have to know what the gun feels like and sounds like instinctively. For live fire practice, I have a place in the woods out back with some chunks of tree trunk stood up to shoot and move around. (The wood was compliments of Hurricane Sandy a few years ago.) I do all the usual stuff but concentrate on being smooth in my motions and accurate to a minute of 9" paper plate out to 7 yards - 21 feet, the Tuller drill range. During the live drills, once I've got a couple mags worth shot from a combat stance, I spend most of the time shooting from cover or on the move. From cover I mean around stuff, over and under too. I'll also load a snap cap in the middle of a full mag to cause a malfunction and practice clearing while live. I load a bunch of mags and throw them in a box before practice so I don't know what mag has the dummy in it. Once in a while I'll go shoot in a Wednesday night combat league. This is a place where I can gauge my abilities against others. Quite a few LE and Armed Service represented here along with guys like myself. I can do better than some and can't hold a candle to others. Those are the ones I watch to see their technique. One last thing about practice I stumbled onto a while back regarding the ammo. For practice I use full power 230 Gn hardball most of the time. No puppy loads here anymore. I want the gun to recoil as similarly as the good ammo I use when I carry. And since I cannot always find the good stuff that runs through my gun, I only shoot the 'old' good stuff when I can find some 'new' to replace it. And that isn't often here. Some of this may not be conventional but I believe it works for me as I can get most rounds on the paper plates and when I miss, it isn't by much. I know your original question was probably more about the guns. Again, I cannot speak to any other than I've shot one a few times. This was about how I carry and a bit about my practice routine. I try to shoot it often, though not as much lately as I did when I started to carry a few years ago. I trust you are able to take something from this. Pete [/QUOTE]
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