Best 7mm or 30 cal Bullet?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by oherzog, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. oherzog

    oherzog New Member

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    I have a Remington 700 long action that I want to build into a long range rifle. Everyone keeps telling me to make a 300 Win Mag but I am trying to stay away from Magnums. Ive also been told a lot about the 6.5x284 but I am looking for something that I can get commercially because I havent started reloading yet.

    I want to build something that can shoot 800+ yards.

    Any and all information, advice, or sly remarks on barrel length, calibers, stocks...anything would be greatly appreciated!

    Thank you for your help
    Oliver
     
  2. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    You haven't said if it is just target or if you will hunt with it. So I will guess you might be going to hunt a little and that will include deer and maybe an elk. So I would go with a 300 win and a JP Ent. brake. The brake will tame that magnum to where you could shoot it all day. My wife is 5'2" and shoots mine. The 300 win ammo is on most every shelf , there are good prices on it and also a wide selection of bullets from match ammo to long range hunting. If you really like this and become an avid target shooter you have a chambering that is easy on the barrel and will last a good ammount of time, for most a lifetime. Lastly this chambering will do a great job on deer and elk at 800 with no issues about energy even to 1000 if you place em well.

    Jeff
     

  3. oherzog

    oherzog New Member

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    I knew I forgot something haha! Right now Im just thinking a bell ringer or paper shooter but there is the possibility of turning this gun into a hunter later down the road. I live in Texas and if I do hunt with it it'll mostly be on pigs and coyotes ie varmints.
     
  4. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Well, there are paobably some other smaller calibers that will do the job well in the 6mm or 6.5 size. But with hogs on the menu and 800 plua I would still go 300 win for all the other reasons too.

    Just hard to beat a 300 win for a 800 plus rifle, especially if there is wind, and a good brake makes it a pleasure to shoot.

    Jeff
     
  5. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    pretty sure the 6.5x284 is loded by Nosler every day. I think you should get a 300 win mag as well.
     
  6. FEENIX

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    Another vote for the .300 Win Mag with 26" or longer tube, 1:10. With an effective muzzle brake design, either the 7mm Mag or .300 Win Mag's felt recoil will be comparable to that of a non-magnum, i.e .243s.

    However, since you mention an interest in non-magnum, checkout the awesome article on the 270 Win For Long Range Shooting

    Good luck!

    Ed
     
  7. Jordan Smith

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    It's not THAT hard...just look at the 7Mag :D
     
  8. Broz

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    I have a few around and have built several 7mm off the 300 win case. I like sevens just fine. But they offer nothing over a 300 for 800 plus. In fact they offer nothing over a 300 period.:D I have seen it first hand over and over in the field.

    Jeff
     
  9. coyotezapper

    coyotezapper Well-Known Member

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    +1. Love the 7MM calibers but the 300 Win is better for all the reasons above.
     
  10. Jordan Smith

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    Hard to make a bad choice, here :D

    You mentioned the wind in your previous post. I was mostly just messing with you, but the real advantage that the 7's have, as you will have seen also, is that in order to match the BC of a 7mm bullet, you need to use a much heavier .308 bullet, and in order to drive them to the same velocities, you've gotta use a much bigger case and powder charge with the .300, and deal with greater recoil.
     
  11. Broz

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    Not really. Especially in some of the longer shots. So far the 300 win with a 230 has needed less drift correction even at 2775 fps. This topic is getting like all the ones on rangefinders. And the more people that go afield and shoot the more that see it for their selves. So I will bow out at this. Bring your Bushnell and 7 mm and I will grab my 300 win and my Vectronix and we will spend a little time shooting in sage brush and wind. These are two things I deal with all the time and I know what works for me. I don't care to argue with anyone about it. Like I said, I like the 7mm's. But I have learned what works for me and it is never a light bullet with a lower BC. If that is what you have and like then I am glad for you. But you know it also has limitations and they are indeed shorter distances than a 300 with the heavier offerings.

    To get this de-rail back to the origional post, I stand by my first post. It shows what is a good choice for him and his quary and distance he shoots along with source of factory ammo.

    Jeff
     
  12. Jordan Smith

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    Jeff,

    Not here to argue, simply to discuss the merits of both 7mm and .300 chamberings, which is EXACTLY the topic of this thread. Not a de-rail at all.

    Who said anything about lower BC and higher BC??? Take a 7mm 180gr Berger Hybrid and point it, and the BC is right up there with the 230gr Hybrid. And you can get it going a lot faster than the 230, with an equal powder charge.

    Sorry bud, but I DO shoot. No need to make this into a pissing contest. I use the Bushnell because it offers the best performance in a package I can afford, and it will gladly tuck its tail between its legs when your Vectronix shows up. Now if I can ever afford the Vector IV or Vector 21, then the tides will turn :D
     
  13. oherzog

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    Haha this is starting to sound like the AK vs the AR debate! Thank yall all for the good info and keep it comin.

    Hope everyone is having a good 4th
    Oliver
     
  14. Lefty7mmstw

    Lefty7mmstw Well-Known Member

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    7mm stw.

    Same energy as the 300 win and flatter trajectory. Fed and Nosler load it, as well as some of the smaller outfits. Dies are easy to get, and brass can be made from any full length belted cartridge. So if and when you start loading, it will not be an issue to get brass. One of the biggest cals. that you can shoot prone without a brake and not get beat up.