Berger VLD vs Berger Match Hunting VLD

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by SWALI, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. SWALI

    SWALI Active Member

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    Has anyone compared these bullets in the field ?

    I have used Berger VLD .308 175gr on red deer.
    Fantastic accuracy in 1.13 twist.
    All beasts have gone down but none have dropped to the shot.

    Just wondering if these NEW Match Hunting bullets are up for the job !
     
  2. Ackley Man

    Ackley Man Well-Known Member

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    Per Walt Berger - Do not attempt to use the target VLDs for hunting. The J4 jackets used in the target bullets are too thin. The bullet will fragment tooooo early. Stick with the hunting VLDs for hunting.
     

  3. Jumpalot

    Jumpalot Well-Known Member

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    Huh..... I heard the exact opposite. I was told that the jackets on the target version were thicker and wouldn't expand reliably. Either way, stick with the hunting version.
     
  4. Tang

    Tang Well-Known Member

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    It's not like the Hunting VLD has a poor BC. Probably the best flying hunting bullet out there. I'm using heavy for caliber VLD's to get all the downrange energy I can.
     
  5. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Eric or Brian will clarify this, but in the mean time... The "hunting" bullets are the ones with the J4 jacket. They are indeed highly frangible and are advertised as such.

    The target bullets have thicker jackets so they will stay together at high velocites and have not been tested for performance on game. They have a jacket that tapers thicker from the point to the bearing surfce. If you have some pigs to cull, this would probably be a good way to experiment with them.

    Mark
     
  6. Ackley Man

    Ackley Man Well-Known Member

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    Berger's target and hunting LVDs have exactly the same BC.

    168gr = .617 (G1) .316 (G7)
    180gr = .659 (g1) .337 (G7)
     
  7. Ackley Man

    Ackley Man Well-Known Member

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    Berger target & hunting bullets both use J-4 jackets. The hunting bullet jackets are thicker.
     
  8. Tang

    Tang Well-Known Member

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    That was my point. There is no use in using the target bullets on game, when their hunting bullets are just as good.
     
  9. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Are not.... :)
     
  10. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Here ya go... read post 13...
     
  11. Ackley Man

    Ackley Man Well-Known Member

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    This is converse to what they emailed to me. I think at the end of the day since the BC is identical, hunting VLDs should be used for hunting and target VLDs for target - problem solved.
     
  12. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    The newer (non-hunting) bullets were referred to as "thick" originally so that there would be no mistake. They were never recommended for hunting because of the "thick" jackets.Their stock number originally ended with a "T", I believe. However all the bullets now have a different number all together and are designated as target or hunting.
     
  13. groper

    groper Well-Known Member

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    you not getting it...

    A THIN JACKET is best for hunting game at LONG RANGE.
    A THICK JACKET is best for hunting game at SHORT RANGE AND VERY HIGH VELOCITY.

    regardless of what label the bullet carries....
     
  14. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    Man! I must be tired or I'm going stupid!

    Tow days ago one of my friends called Berger about this and he was told
    that the hunting bullet's jackets are made thinner so they don't pin hole right
    through. :rolleyes: All the 210 gr. bullets that I have are yellow boxes so I figure they're for target, but we have killed many deer and antelopes with them very successfully.... :cool: