Berger Moly Sale - Big Discounts

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  1. Eric Stecker

    Eric Stecker <b>SPONSOR</b>

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    Moly Discontinued Bullets Sale
    March 2009

    We are clearing out all our moly coated bullets that will no longer be available. The following bullets are available at significant discounts while supplies last. These bullets are still available without moly coating. The bullet itself is not being discontinued just the moly coating on the bullet. Add a 5% discount if you buy all that are available. Orders placed for 30 boxes or more get free shipping.

    Berger 17 cal 30 gr Varmint Moly – 48 boxes - $27.21 per box (200 count)
    Berger 22 cal 30 gr Varmint Moly – 27 boxes - $13.52 per box
    Berger 22 cal 90 gr VLD Moly – 168 boxes - $17.30 per box
    Berger 6mm 60 gr Moly – 20 boxes - $16.84 per box
    Berger 6mm 62 gr Moly – 1 box - $16.32 per box
    Berger 25 cal 87 gr Moly – 119 boxes - $24.14 per box
    Berger 30 cal 110 gr Moly – 14 boxes - $20.69 per box
    Berger 30 cal 125 gr Moly – 21 boxes - $20.79 per box
    Berger 30 cal 155 gr BT Moly – 128 boxes - $25.70 per box
    Berger 30 cal 168 gr BT Moly – 114 boxes - $24.00 per box
    Berger 30 cal 175 gr VLD Moly – 8 boxes - $25.36 per box

    Place your order with Andrea Cobos at 714-447-5456 or at andrea.cobos@bergerbullets.com.

    Good Shooting,
    Eric Stecker
    Executive Vice President
     
  2. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Eric

    Why are you not going to make the coating anymore?

    I have allways wanted to try Moly but everyone I know says to stay clear? I like the fact that with moly you get at least 100fps more at the muzzel.

    I also heard that once you shoot them you cant go back to regular bullets kind sounds dumb but I dont know.
     

  3. Eric Stecker

    Eric Stecker <b>SPONSOR</b>

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    We believe that moly works and frankly Walt and I still shoot moly coated bullets in short range BR competition. I also plan on using moly coated bullets when I start shooting F-Class.

    We have been using moly since it was intorduced and when I say "moly works" what I am referring to is reduced fouling and an ability to maintain the same level of precision due to the reduced fouling.

    I do not believe that moly has any benefits when it comes to better precision or barrel life simply due to moly. There might be some level of improved barrel life but we have not seen this in any significant amount.

    Since we have never switched back from moly I can't answer your question about what happens if you stop using moly with personal experience. What I have been told by those who tested this situation is that there will be a difference in MV when switching from one to the other. It can take anywhere from 10-20 shots before this settles down. Once it settles down you should be fine.

    Personally, I believe moly is best in situations where there is high shot counts in a shooting session. Target competition (especially those that do not allow for regular cleaning between strings) are a great example of where moly can be beneficial. In game hunting situations where a few shots are taken over longer periods moly is not benefical.

    Berger has discontinued offering all but a few (10 to be exact) moly coated bullets for a very simple reason. We sell very few of these moly coated bullets. The non-moly version of each of these bullets sells just fine. I believe the moly does not sell as well for two reasons. First, moly is not as popular as it was when it was introduced. The second reason (which I believe is major part of our reduced sales of moly) is because it is very simple and cheap for shooters to moly coat their own bullets.

    When we moly coat the bullets their are many costs involved that the individual does not have to worry about. Kits are readily available and for a few hundred dollars you could be moly coating literally tens of thousands of bullets for no extra cost (except your time).

    Frankly, we are encouraging shooters to moly coat their own bullets. Below is our procedure for coating bullets including a list of vendors that supply the items we use (I wanted to attach it but can't seem to figure out how). There are a few different methods to moly coat bullets but we found that the method described in our process worked best for us.

    Regards,
    Eric

    Official Moly Coating Process

    The following is a detailed list of instructions describing how Berger Bullets moly coats their bullets. This process should not be done in your living room. Moly is washable with soap and water but the amount of moly that can distribute itself around the area where you moly can make a bit of a mess.

    Materials Needed:
    RCBS Sidewinder Tumblers (2 drums for each drive motor platform)
    Molybdenum Disulfide (finest micron size available and from hereon referred to as moly)
    Carnuba Wax (powder form)
    Scale That Weighs in Grains (2 trays needed, one for moly and one for wax)
    Terrycloth Bath Towel (consider using one will not be needed in your bathroom again)
    ½ Gallon Bucket
    Timer capable of 2 Hours
    Sharpie Marker

    Material Sources:
    RCBS – www.rcbs.com or copy and paste the following url:

    http://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/MainServlet?action=CatalogSearch&langId=en_US&storeId=webconnect&catalogId=webconnect&screenlabel=index&pageSize=15&beginIndex=0&resultType=3&orderBy=1&searchType=0&searchDescription=sidewinder

    The Sidewinders are available through many dealers who specialize in reloading products. Grain weighing scales are also available through many dealers. The accuracy of the weight of materials used is not ultra critical so less expensive scales can be used.

    NECO – www.neconos.com or copy and paste the following url:

    http://www.neconos.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=5&cart=165758

    NECO sells the moly and carnuba wax regularly. These items are available through others sources but can be difficult to locate consistently.

    The ½ gallon bucket can be replaced by anything with similar capacity like a tumbler drinking cup or butter dish. The goal is to have something that will allow you to gently pour the bullets into the tumbler drums.

    Moly Coating Procedure:

    Note: Bullets must be completely clean for the process to work properly. Our bullets will arrive clean but some brands are not completely clean. To insure cleanliness wash your bullets in lacquer thinner containing minimal petroleum products or use acetone. Make sure the bullets are completely dry either by laying them in the sun or heating them up with a blow dryer. Fluid can stay in the hollow point area of the bullets and should be quickly evaporated away rather than allowed to dry slowly indoors.



    Also, steel balls are not needed to moly coating your bullets. It is very important that two drums are used and that one is always used for moly only and the other is always used for wax only. Mixing this process in both drums will ruin your ability to coat properly and a thorough cleaning (which doesn’t always work) or replacement drums will be required to correct this particular result. To avoid mixing these drums use a sharpie marker to clearly label onedrum for MOLY and the other for WAX.

    Using this process you can coat from 1 pound of bullets up to 15 pounds. Bullets of different sizes can be mixed and tumbled together if you want to coat many small quantities in fewer cycles.

    • Put the clean bullets into a ½ gallon bucket (or similar container).
    • Pour the bullets gently into the drum marked MOLY.
    • Measure the moly using the grain weight scale and the moly tray (squares of plastic will work but are harder to manipulate without spilling).
      • Use 30 grains of moly plus 1 grain for each pound of bullets
    i. Example: 5 pounds of bullets require 35 grains of moly


    ii. Example: 12 pounds of bullets require 42 grains of moly
    • Put the moly into the drum marked MOLY with the bullets.
    • Tumble the bullets for 2 hours.
    • Pour the bullets onto a large terry cloth bath towel.
    • Grabbing the ends of the towel with each hand alternate pulling each end of the towel up allowing the bullets to tumble back and forth inside the towel. Do this 20 times or so until all the excess moly has been removed from the bullets. You should not see any clumping or excessive powder on the bullets.
    • Transfer the bullets from the towel into the ½ gallon bucket. There are a few ways to do this without getting your hands dirty but they are difficult to describe. Try a few different techniques until you find one that works for you. (Think: pouring them out of the towel)
    • Pour the bullets gently into the drum marked WAX.
    • Measure the carnuba wax using the grain scale and the wax tray (squares of plastic will work but are harder to manipulate without spilling).
      • 1 to 3 lbs of bullets use 0.1 grains of wax
      • 4 to 7 lbs of bullets use 0.3 grains of wax
      • 8 to 12 lbs of bullets use 0.6 grains of wax
      • 13 to 15 lbs of bullets use 1.0 grains of wax
    i. When you use the WAX drum for the first time double the wax needed.
    • Pour the carnuba wax into the drum marked WAX with the bullets.
    • Tumble the bullets for 15 minutes.
    • Empty the bullets into any container. They are ready to shoot.
      • In some cases access wax will appear as clumping. This can be reduced slightly by following step 7 (make sure you use a different towel). Once your drums are used a few times you should not see clumping after the wax process.
    There are other ways moly can be applied but the above is how we do it at Berger Bullets.
     
  4. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Brian

    Wow thanks for the great awnser I have learned a few things thats for sure. I did not know you could coat your own bullets. I just might have to give them a try.

    Thanks again for the great info.
     
  5. specweldtom

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    Great info. I have moly coated quite a few bullets, mostly Barnes X's, to prevent heavy copper fouling, but this is a better procedure if I can afford another Sidewinder.

    I have switched back and forth from moly coated to uncoated bullets with no accuracy problems, but I'm not shooting benchrest. P.O.I. does move, though. In general, the same powder charge behind the same bullet gave slightly lower M/V's if the bullets were moly coated. I attribute that to a lower chamber pressure spike (bullet slides down the bore easier?) I also think that the neck can't grip a moly coated bullet as firmly, but that the release from the neck is more consistent. These are just my opinions though.

    Ican, I've read about a buildup of a moly ring just in front of the throat, but can't verify it. A good cleaning after every 5 rds brings out a lot of patches with black on them that I believe is moly, not carbon, and virtually no copper. I don't break in a new barrel with moly coated bullets, though.

    Right now, the only bullets I'm coating are 400 and 500gr .458 cal Barnes X's for a .460 Wby. However, I loaded some coated .224 bullets for a .220 Swift that I haven't got to try yet.

    If I have time in the morning before I leave, I'm going to try to order a box of the 30gr .224's for a K-Hornet, and a box of the 175gr .30 cal for a .30 x .378. (Turkey season opens Sat, and I can hear them calling nearly 300 miles away).

    Good hunting, Tom
     
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  6. Eric Stecker

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    Here is the list of bullets available as of 09:04 PST on 3-20-09.

    Berger 17 cal 30 gr Varmint Moly – 48 boxes - $27.21 per box (200 count)
    Berger 22 cal 30 gr Varmint Moly – 18 boxes - $13.52 per box
    Berger 22 cal 90 gr VLD Moly – 138 boxes - $17.30 per box
    Berger 25 cal 87 gr Moly – 107 boxes - $24.14 per box
    Berger 30 cal 110 gr Moly – 14 boxes - $20.69 per box
    Berger 30 cal 155 gr BT Moly – 44 boxes - $25.70 per box
    Berger 30 cal 168 gr BT Moly – 30 boxes - $24.00 per box

    Get them while their still hot at 714-447-5456.

    Regards,
    Eric