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Berger Bullets vs Controlled Expansion Bullets
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<blockquote data-quote="carpetman2" data-source="post: 713984" data-attributes="member: 18775"><p>I know this is an old thread but I want to give my perspective. I killed a bull in 09 with 210's @ 787 yards just behind the shoulder 1/3 the way down. Never took a step and had an exit would the size of a 50 cent piece. Shot two wt bucks, one at 180 yards, hit the spine and down it went. The other was 495 in the spine and down it went. I shot a nice WT buck at 140 yards just behind the shoulder slightly quartering which should have exited in the shoulder or just in front. Lost the buck, never found blood or hair but two of us saw the impact and heard it as well. Shot a doe at 160 with 185's going 3010 behind the shoulder. She literally flipped. But before I know it she is up and running so I nailed her again this time running and directly hitting the shoulder. She stopped and turned slightly facing me. I let her stand there for several min thinking she was going to go down. But no, she ran off. We could see the shoulder was just a mess, but very little blood on the ground. We tried to trail her but the blood was only every 50 yards or so and not in any kind of consistant direction. We finally lost her in the brush and canyon area and at dark had to turn back. I have only lost 3 deer in 41 years of hunting. Two were using VLD's at close range. I have taken 7 deer with my 7mm08 using 120 Barnes TTXS @ 2780 and all ran less than 50 yards before going down. They all had good blood trails to follow, and were 50 yrds out to 334 yards. My kids and I combined have taken over 15 WT deer with SST's in 243, 30 06 and 300 WM and have never lost one, with most going down upon impact. I think that if you use them in their proper sphere you should get the proper result, but as for me I am changing to SST's or Accubonds for out to the 400-500 yard range and will use the Bergers for the extended ranges.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="carpetman2, post: 713984, member: 18775"] I know this is an old thread but I want to give my perspective. I killed a bull in 09 with 210's @ 787 yards just behind the shoulder 1/3 the way down. Never took a step and had an exit would the size of a 50 cent piece. Shot two wt bucks, one at 180 yards, hit the spine and down it went. The other was 495 in the spine and down it went. I shot a nice WT buck at 140 yards just behind the shoulder slightly quartering which should have exited in the shoulder or just in front. Lost the buck, never found blood or hair but two of us saw the impact and heard it as well. Shot a doe at 160 with 185's going 3010 behind the shoulder. She literally flipped. But before I know it she is up and running so I nailed her again this time running and directly hitting the shoulder. She stopped and turned slightly facing me. I let her stand there for several min thinking she was going to go down. But no, she ran off. We could see the shoulder was just a mess, but very little blood on the ground. We tried to trail her but the blood was only every 50 yards or so and not in any kind of consistant direction. We finally lost her in the brush and canyon area and at dark had to turn back. I have only lost 3 deer in 41 years of hunting. Two were using VLD's at close range. I have taken 7 deer with my 7mm08 using 120 Barnes TTXS @ 2780 and all ran less than 50 yards before going down. They all had good blood trails to follow, and were 50 yrds out to 334 yards. My kids and I combined have taken over 15 WT deer with SST's in 243, 30 06 and 300 WM and have never lost one, with most going down upon impact. I think that if you use them in their proper sphere you should get the proper result, but as for me I am changing to SST's or Accubonds for out to the 400-500 yard range and will use the Bergers for the extended ranges. [/QUOTE]
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