Berger Bullets 6.5mm (264 Diameter) 140 Grain

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  1. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    As far as these two bullets go,

    Berger Hybrid Target Bullets 264 Caliber, 6.5mm (264 Diameter) 140 Grain Hollow Point Boat Tail (Ballistic Coefficient: 0.618)

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    Berger Hunting Bullets 264 Caliber, 6.5mm (264 Diameter) 140 Grain VLD Hollow Point Boat Tail (Ballistic Coefficient: 0.612)

    Would the .06 difference in Ballistic Coefficient make that much of a difference? My understanding is the hunting bullet has a thicker jacket. What makes a bullet a hybrid? This would be used in a 6.5x284, 28", 1-8 twist!
     
  2. dragman

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    The hybrid has a completely different disgn than the VLD making it not nearly as sensitive to seating depth. That is why the hybrid is gonna be a hit! for hunting the hybrids have WAY to thin of a jacket
     

  3. Jumpalot

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    Where did you get the info that the hybrids have a thinner jacket?? All the info I've seen says that all the hybrids are a thicker jacket, the target bullets also have a thicker jacket then the hunting bullet.
     
  4. dragman

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    don't know 100% that the jackets are thinner just tested the hybrids VS VLD hunting. @ 100 yards the hybrids wont go through 5/8ths steel and the Hunting VLD's went through 3/4 out of the same gun and the same speed. I was assuming that that was due to a thin jacket I am probably wrong but I can attest that they aren't what you want for hunting unless it's one of the BIG calibers 230 30cal or 300 .338
     
  5. Jumpalot

    Jumpalot Well-Known Member

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    Not sure I would base a bullets hunting worth on shooting steel.
     
  6. dragman

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    I have shot more than steel but that was the most dramatic difference that I could exsplain
     
  7. Jumpalot

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    What makes the bullet a hybrid is that it uses a combination of a tangent and secant ogive making it less sensitive to seating depth. I don't think you would notice much of a difference with the .06 BC. Either bullet should stabilize in a 1-8" twist barrel. I would should which ever bullet shoots better in your rifle. But for hunting, the hybrids have yet to be proven.
     
  8. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    Anyone have a release date for the 6.5 hunting hybrid?
     
  9. Bob Beck

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    Hey guys,

    I will jump in and let you know my knowledge with the hybrid designed bullets to help clear up any questions.

    The technical side of a VLD versus the new hybrid it has to do with the bullet’s ogives and how the bullet engages the riflings. On Berger's VLD bullet design, the ogive is secant and has an abrupt angle change when it meets the shank of the bullet. On the new Hybrid design, Berger has created what they call a "Hybrid ogive". This combines the strengths of a tangent and secant ogive without suffering either of the weaknesses. The hybrid ogive is tangent to the bearing surface where it contacts the riflings. This aids in the bullet self aligning with the center of bore and making it less sensitive to seating depth. Ahead of the point where the riflings engrave the bearing surface, the bullet transitions into a secant ogive to maximize drag reduction and have a much higher Ballistic Coefficient.

    The term hybrid has nothing to do with the jacket thickness or how it will perform on game. We have a combined effort of over 100 kills just this year alone with the hybrid designed bullets to test its worth in the field. I feel so strongly about this design that it will be the same hybrid design that the new EOL/ Berger Extreme Heavy Hybrid line is built around. Our first two bullets to be introduced are the 170 grain .277 cal, and the 195 grain 7mm that are due to release real soon. As for the 6.5 hybrids, look for them by August/September.
     
  10. Jumpalot

    Jumpalot Well-Known Member

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    When I emailed Berger to ask about the 7mm 180 grn. Hybrid, Eric said that they had a thicker jacket then the VLD. Not sure about the other Hybrids. I have been using the Gen 1 338 Hybrids on a few antelope, muleys and Elk and they performed awesome.
     
  11. C.O. Shooter

    C.O. Shooter Well-Known Member

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    Mr. Beck,

    Do you think the BC's will be the same as the Target Hybrid?
     
  12. Bob Beck

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    Jumpalot,

    The current hybrid bullets do have thicker jackets then the VLD's. The current being target, and tactical hybrids. However the new hunting hybrid bullets that are coming soon will be have the same jacket thickness as the VLD's.

    CO shooter,

    Yes, as far as I know the new hunting hybrids will have the same B.C. As the current target line.
     
  13. dondlhmn

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    Is my math screwed up or isn't the difference between these two bullets' ballistic coefficient .006?? And Not ".06"?
     
  14. Greyfox

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    The ballistic differnce of .006 BC between the two bullets should be un-noticable at under 1000 yards. I have had good performance on game using the Hunting 140 VLD's. I have not had any experience with the Hybrids. I understand that the Hybrids have a thicker jacket than the hunting bullets. Given that, I would be hesitant to use them on game without getting some feedback on how they perform. Berger likely labels, and designs it as a hunting bullet for a good reason.