Berger 6mm 105 Hybrid for coyotes

Discussion in 'Coyote Hunting - From 10 Yards to over 1,000 Yards' started by Iron Worker, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. Iron Worker

    Iron Worker Well-Known Member

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    Berger 6mm 105 Hybrid for coyotes ,will they open up on a dog ? Maybe I should stick with 87gr V-Max. The hybrids shoot a bit better.
     
  2. sitkadeer

    sitkadeer Well-Known Member

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    I'll give you some input from the experience I have had with the hybrids. I am a government trapper/hunter. I spend a lot of my time calling. My main rig is a 6.5 creedmoor shooting the 140 hybrids. The 140 hybrids are extremely accurate out of my rifle and past 500 they are fantastic. I just had a 6mm remington built and have 400 of the 105 hybrids sitting on my bench waiting to be loaded. For me, the hybrids have been exceptional to say the least. Now, to answer your question. There is no doubt, there are times they don't open up. They aren't necessarily expected to as they weren't made for that (I know you know that, otherwise you wouldn't be asking). But...........those coyotes don't go far. I've had a few go between 50-100 yards. The majority go 0-20 yards. They have no problem killing coyotes. When I shoot them in the heart at a trap site, it takes 3-8 seconds on average, then......they just fade out. A coyote can run 25-100 yards in the same amount of time. Well, not 3 seconds, but easily in 8, see my point? The 105's I haven't taken to the field yet, so I can't speak from experience. They will be scooting along faster than the 140's, thus that may or may not have a significant effect on how they react compared to the 140's upon impact. That being said, I have absolute confidence in them and wouldn't hesitate for a second to use them. Also, you might find this of interest. One of my main rifles used to be a 204 AR. I loved that thing. The polymer tipped bullets absolutely dropped them in their tracks. Once, I couldn't find any vmax's, so I bought a couple boxes of hollow points. The hollow points shot more accurate out of that rifle, but, I started having a few coyotes going a ways. They all died, but several would go 100 yards or less, never with the vmax's. I stick with my 140 hybrids for two reasons, they are always consistent, with some good math, they land where they are suppose to. The coyotes I target are very important coyotes, thus accuracy is of utmost importance and I can with all certainty say, with a different bullet, there are several I would not have killed. Second, they kill coyotes very effectively. If I wasn't a government guy and didn't have to rely on long distance shots sometimes, oof, I'd probably be shooting 58-87 grainers out of a 243 or 6mm remmy. Those 58's can be loaded to really scream. Then I'd sight in my rig somewhere between 240-270 yards depending on the velocity I was getting out of that particular barrel. You wouldn't have to think about a thing to 325. That should handle the grand majority of your call ins. Unfortunately, my 6mm remmy is a 1in8, and it doesn't shoot the 58's. We live in a great time. There are so many excellent calibers, bullets, optics, and manufactures are always stepping up with better made rifles all the time. Good stuff. Hope this helps, I just drank a pile of strong coffee late on a Saturday night, so hopefully I didn't go on a long ramble.:)
     

  3. Iron Worker

    Iron Worker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for information. I'm pushing those 105 Hybrids 3400 FPS .
     
  4. sitkadeer

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    Nice. I just checked. Sighted in at 250, that's 2.44 low at 300.

    Sorry for my ramble bud. Be glad I don't really drink anymore, I might have wrote a book and forgot to answer your question.....
     
  5. xdeano

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    I'm shooting a 6slr and the 105 Berger hunting on coyotes. They perform more consistently then the hybrids or standard target. The target and hybrids have a thicker jacket and tend to pencil through, where as the hunting vld will leave a quarter sized hole on the off side.

    Hope that helps.

    Xdeano
     
  6. sitkadeer

    sitkadeer Well-Known Member

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    xdeano is correct. The hybrids aren't very consistent. If you want a bullet that will drop them consistently right in their tracks, the hybrids aren't your bullet. But, if the hybrids are shooting dreamy out of your barrel, and you don't mind the coyotes sometimes going a little ways, then you'll be good to go.
     
  7. sendero72

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    Have you ever tried the 105 Amax?
     
  8. xdeano

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    I've used quite a few 105 amax on coyotes. They leave a larger exit hole. I use the Berger hunting for every day work from November tell mid Feb when the fur is prime. When the fur turns to crap I'll bring out the amax because it doesn't matter how big a hole I end up with, just as long as they're dead.
    Xdeano
     
  9. 6XCShooter

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    I shoot both the Berger 95gr Hunting VLD and the 105 Hunting VLD out of a 1:8 twist 6XC.

    Both are way overkill for most of the TX coyotes around here.
    The 6mm Hunting VLDs fly so good I have not tried the Hybrids.
    Both the 95s & 105s really hammer a 40lb coyote and are a bit overkill (IMO) but they buck the wind so well at longer ranges is why I like them

    I have shoot a few coyotes with the 115 DTAC bullets from David Tubbs and blew fist size holes in them.

    My first priority is hitting them, so I go with the bullet that shoots best from my rifle

    For me & my rifle, the 105s fly best and we regularly take coyotes slow trotting across the middle of the wheat fields at 400-600yds, occasionally one will spin b/f dropping dead but I have never recovered a bullet so hard to tell how much its opened up ?

    My calling gun is a little ole .223 shooting the 55gr Vmax. I will agree with post above. That little Vmax is a hammer out to about 300 yds
     
  10. alf

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    Sitkadeer and xdeano....coupla questions....

    Have either of you shot enough coyotes with pointed 105 Hunting VLD's to form an opinion?

    My #1 coyote gun is a 6x47 Lapua running unpointed at 3030, and have had great results as well, but, I just put together another Lapua with pointed Hybrids at 3080.

    I've tested to 1200, and the BC looks to be a hair over .585, so I like the performance at distance, but am worried about the Hybrid being too "tough" at LR, and worse being pointed.

    Any thoughts?
     
  11. sitkadeer

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    Wow, alf, I have been wanting to point some bullets and play with them. I don't have any experience using pointed bullets. Did you notice a more accurate vertical grouping with your pointed bullets? Very curious.

    6xc shooter. The 140's and 105's are way more than necessary up north too. But, as you say, very accurate.
     
  12. 6XCShooter

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    Yeah I always seem to be trying to find the best balance between a caliber and bullet that will blow up inside coyote (not exit) and one that will buck the wind and shoot well out past 400-600yds.

    In my experience the smaller polymer tipped bullets really hit hard so long as they impact within their designed velocity envelope (which is usually under 4-500yds)

    The longer, heavier, higher BC, VLDs buck the wind and fly better at longer ranges but almost always blow on through a coyote sized animal. If I hit a bone,,, the exists can be significant. If I miss a bone,,, I have had a few appear to pencil through but in every case enough shock or internal damage is done to dispatch the coyote in fairly short order.

    I like the 6mm 's 6x47, .243, 6XC etc ....maybe just bit on the overkill side for coyotes within 200yds but able to reach out there. No they are not very fur friendly but these TX coyotes don't seem to be much for fur anyway.

    Again my Primary goal is to HIT the critters and dispatch quickly & humanly
     
  13. C.O. Shooter

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    I was looking at the GAP 6 Creedmore and shooting the 105 hybrid! [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoH0IytAFXw]GA Precison GAP-10: 5 shots in 5" at 1000 yards - YouTube[/ame] The video starts out as the gap 10 in 308, but finishes with the 6mm Creedmore. The audio of the video sucks! Would be a coyote killer!
     
  14. xdeano

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    I don't have anything for you on the pointed bullets. My only guess is that they will have a tendency to do more of a punch through then actually opening up just a slight bit. Only. Way to find out is to go punch a few and report results.

    Xdeano