BERGER .338 / 300 gr. Elite Hunter ELR Terminal Performance.

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  1. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I have some results that some of the .338 Shooters here may be interested in. A friend of mine that is also a member here "Dave300" came out to my long range shooting school and purchased a 338 Lapua AI from me. While he was here we went over reloading, ballistic apps, bullets, and spent 3 days afield shooting near and far in wind and canyons. We stretched the rifle to well over 2000 yards with confirmed hits on 1 moa or less sized targets. Dave300 went home and on his first elk hunt took a good friend of his up to fill a cow tag. They had a cow at 1580 to 1600 yards. They were laser rangefinder challenged, and were fighting getting repeated reading but finally confirmed several readings at 1600 yards. Dave300 got his friend behind the rifle and set up as they dialed in the elevation and windage. Dave300 told him to send it when he was solid on the cow. With 3 or 4 different guys spotting the bullet was sent. The vapor trail was vivid as the bullet rose above and out of the spotters field of view and then came back in. The bullet landed center kill zone and it cow elk hunched up. She took a couple steps down hill and piled up. As they chambered a follow up the spotters reported she raised her head, attempted to get up and then expired and was done.

    This is the farthest kill I have been able to gather data on for the New Berger 300 gr Elite Hunter. So I want to share the results, and a few pics, for those ELR hunters considering this bullet.

    The bullet entered just behind the shoulder at the first rib or two. It all exited far side, at rib 3 or 4 with a nice exit hole. The vitals were mush with a good portion of the far side lung gone or unable to be identified in the jello. The heart was untouched.

    Facts:
    Bullet expanded well as can be seen in front edge of jacket pic. and exit hole size
    We believe all lead, and 3/4 jacket exited the elk. No other fragments were found in vitals or during butcher of the elk.
    Back 1/2 of jacket was found at far side exit hole just short of the hide.
    Remaining jacket weight is 35.5 gr
    Wound channel measured 22" and a full penetration.
    Exit hole was just over 1" x 1 1/4"
    Approximate impact velocity 1665 fps
    Impact energy 1847 lbs
    Flight time was 2.156 seconds.

    Here is the pic of Dave300 and his good friend who now has a story of a lifetime to share along with elk in the freezer.

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    The remaining jacket.

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    The exit hole after hide was skinned removed during butcher.

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    So there is what we have. Draw your own conclusions as to whether or not these results suit you. At close to a mile, I for one am please to see the size of the exit and terminal results. I know this is only one instance, but these results work for me very well for a ELR hunting bullet.

    Jeff
     
  2. danj

    danj Well-Known Member

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    Can't ask more from ANY bullet!! Good info.
     

  3. HARPERC

    HARPERC Well-Known Member

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    That's the most complete analysis of a shot, and the end results I've ever seen Broz. I guess explaining over and over to knuckleheads like me has been good for something. Thanks for your effort.
     
  4. royinidaho

    royinidaho Writers Guild

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    Yep, we're getting professional around here.

    Things are gettin' good.

    That's my bullet too!
     
  5. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

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    Just Wow and a very big congradulations to the shooter, that is precision long range hunting at it's finest!
     
  6. calib

    calib Well-Known Member

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    That is a great report of how those bullets are performing, one day i may have a .338
     
  7. marioq

    marioq Well-Known Member

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    That is awesome!!!! Just wish I could get my damn gun to shoot those things well
     
  8. Derek M.

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    Sometime next year I will be looking for advise on what bullet I should begin with for my 338 Edge. I won't have time to play with it this year but I went with a Shawn Carlock duplication and had a Hart barrel installed on my action, 28" long. I hope I get good results with a good bullet. I have yet to begin shopping for a 338 bullet.

    Jeff, what is the load for that rifle? Will you share rifle build details?
     
  9. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    A5 Mcmillan stock, pillar bedded, adj. cheek piece and adj. length of pull.
    Stiller single feed 338 Lapua action with extended tennon
    Jewel trigger at 1 1/4 lb.
    30" Hart barrel 1 in 10 twist 6, 1/4" flutes JP brake.
    PTG Reamer .338 Lapua AI .040*
    Stiller pinned heavy barrel lug
    Stiller pinned 40 moa rail
    NF 34mm 1.0 6 screw rings
    NF ATACR 5~25x56 MOAR .25 moa.
    Lapua brass
    CCI 250
    N-570
    300 Berger Elite Hinters at 2980
    Harris 9~13 swivel bipod with pod lock.

    Jeff
     
  10. No Fear in Accuracy

    No Fear in Accuracy Well-Known Member

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    The drop moa is about 46?

    It is pretty flat shooting for 300 grain bullet.
     
  11. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I think it was 40.

    Jeff
     
  12. Derek M.

    Derek M. Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Jeff. I'm sure I'll be happy with the Hart bbl. I sure love my others.
     
  13. Clndesl

    Clndesl Well-Known Member

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    That is some good info and I wish I could have got my 338 edge to like this bullet but I didn't have much time to mess with them so I just loaded up the good old sierras for my elk hunt this weekend. When I get back I will definetly be messing with the Bergers again. Broz, how far off the lands have you found these bullet liked. Thanks again for the great info.
     
  14. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    You are welcome. I have found them to shoot from -.015" off lands to .065" off. I really have not had to work much to get .5 moa or better at 300 yards.

    I have seen many .338's that didn't shoot them well at 100. I strongly recommend you test groups at 200 plus if you are fighting a load. I have seen a consistent rifle shoot .75 moa (3/4") at 100 and the same load and rifle still shoot 3/4" at 300.

    Jeff