bedding and stiffening flimsy factory plastic stocks

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  1. lurcher

    lurcher Active Member

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    I am planning to free float, and bed a remington model 7 with a factory stock. Would I be best to install pillars? is there an advantage to be gained versus not pillar bedding in a synthetic stock?

    Also the model 7 stock is pretty bendy in the foreend (not as bad as a factory savage) but not great either. I am concerned that this is not ideal for shooting off a bipod. I had a look at the stock and I was considering epoxying in a single carbon fibre arrow shaft as a way of gaining some stiffness without increasing weight too much. Would this be a viable option?

    Or would i be far better to save my schekels and buy a cheapish (working to a tight budget) but hopefully better Bell and Carlson carbelite classic
     
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  2. gamehauler

    gamehauler Well-Known Member

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    I am going to watch this close since I am trying to build up my daughters
    Model 7 in 7MM-08. It shot pretty good with the factory stock (wood)
    but wanted to lighten it up and Got a deal on a Ram-line synthetic off
    Gunbroker.com.
    Turns out it is pretty much Junk, IMO
    The problem that I have learned is the M-7 needs a barrel support (?)
    at the forend for the limp-D barrel.
    Hope this thread comes around and spreads some lite on the M-7.
    Mike
     

  3. Kevin Cram

    Kevin Cram <b>SPONSOR</b>

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    I hate to tell you guys but if your looking to do any serious accuracy work, throw away the tupperware stocks. Don't waste your time trying to make them stiffer or pillar bed them. It's a pain just to get the bedding to stick (too much oil in the plastic). At the least go with the Bell and Carlson stock it's deffinately a step in the right direction. Get the best stock you can afford and you'll never be sorry.
     
  4. 6.5user

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    two words, Joel Russo
     
  5. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Montour Is dead on when he said dont waste your time on the tupperware
    stock they are just a handle.

    If you intend to use a bypod then look for a laminated stock.

    There are some stock makers that will make you one for around
    $100.00 unfinshed.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  6. gamehauler

    gamehauler Well-Known Member

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    Tupperware Sale:rolleyes:
     
  7. royinidaho

    royinidaho Writers Guild

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    As usual it looks as if I'm gonna learn the hard way.:rolleyes:

    I switched from a heavily modified REM ADL stock that was designed as a compromise between a long range rig and a carry gun. It's a 338 RUM shooting 300 SMKs. However, it favored LRH a bit more than walk & stalk.

    The tupperware stock is an REM Magnum that is hollow in the but. Thus when you hit the gong you get a Doink------Dong. Unsettling.

    I can confirm that its tough to get things to stick to the thing. Only took two days to overcome that one.

    Secondly the fore arm is far from stiff. However its about like the B&C classic that I ordered for my 270 AM. It was not stiff enough to my liking so I heavily modified it and she's plenty solid. It was pretty much like building a house around a trailer house. But she works fine.

    With the Rum and the Rem plastic stock, after all of the work of reshaping, converting from right hand to lefty, the darn thing only gained me 0.8 LBS over the heavily JB'd, devcon'd ADL.and the ADL was much stiffer.

    I fired a shot to see what it was going to be like. Big roar, as usual, not much of a kick (Holland QD brake) but she reared like a horse.

    The angle of the comb was a bit the wrong way and the newly sanded primer'd come seemed to grip the ol' cheek a bit. I've since remedied that condition.

    Before I break out the airbrush and stencils I'll shoot a group or to validate the accuracy of the previous stock has been maintained.
     
  8. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Lurcher

    There is a market for the tupperware stocks and we sell them all
    of the time to people that want a stock for thier son,s rifle so
    that they dont have to worry about them dinging them up.

    And after there son/daughter grows up they still have the original
    stock to put back on for them.

    They only let them shoot 100yrds or less and dont worry about 1moa
    groups.

    We sell them for around $30.00 when we have one as a takeoff but
    you might get more.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  9. Varmint Hunter

    Varmint Hunter Well-Known Member

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    My smith cracked up when I asked him to bed my Model 7 with the original synthetic stock. He refused to do it. I gave him a free hand at replacing the stock. He chose a McMillan #7 stock. The rifle has been shooting sub .5moa ever since.

    In the long run the high priced stock was worth every penny and I'll probably keep it until I check out.
     
  10. lurcher

    lurcher Active Member

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    Of the aftermarket stocks which will fit the model 7 (not a huge selection that I can see) which would work out? I've read that both the B and C carbelite classic and even the HS precision's still have a little flex, How about mcmillan?
     
  11. MachV

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    I sure aint a big fan of tuperware BUT it can be made useable. For a lite carry gun like the 7 and Stevens it realy helps to move the sling/bipod stud as close to the action as possible and still balance and carry properly. The guys are right in that its tuff to get bedding material to stick to tuperware. I ruff it up REAL good and undercut the bottom so it locks in place.
    This is very drastic but works great for a walking critter=getter

    [​IMG]
     
  12. J E Custom

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    Good post ROY!!!

    Just think of a new guy trying to do all of this.

    I get quite a few of these stocks because the rifles are so cheep
    to use as a donor, and like you I love a challenge so I set out to
    see if I could make one work.

    After many hours and dollars I found that it was barely good enough
    to hunt with and even then you had to be carefull how you placed it
    on the forearm when shooting.

    The end results were that it was better to find a good composite or
    laminate and not look back.

    And with a bipod the only way I shot consistantly was to move the
    bipod back close to the front bedding/action screw.

    Unfortunately ,I like the way the black with gray panels look but just
    dont like the way they shoot even when worked on.

    And to answer Lurchers question = The most ridged stocks that are affordable
    in my opinion are the varmit laminate stocks . If money is no object then the
    carbon fiber ones are very good.

    J E CUSTOM



     
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  13. gamehauler

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    :confused:What about the barrel pressure point that I have read on here is needed??
     
  14. Lost creek

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    I don't want to rock the boat,but i have bedded about a dozen remington tupperware stocks and never have had trouble with the bedding not sticking. I sand and drill holes where i put the bedding and it has never come loose even on a couple of my friends 300 rums with no muzzle brake. You can stiffen the forearm by putting bedding in the bottom of stock. They are definitly a cheap stock. 2 of the rifles i have bedded have hart barrels on them. and will hold 1/2 moa. i do not think a $400 stock will shoot any better. That said my better rifles have mcmillan stocks on them.