Barrel cleaning ,what am I doing wrong

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by 300stw, Jul 4, 2010.

  1. 300stw

    300stw Well-Known Member

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    i have a used broughton barrel that i have been cleaning.about 150 rounds,
    i am using motana bore cleaner and cooper cleaner.
    soak patch with bore cleaner, let sit 30-40 strokes with brush, wet patch, patch will be black,
    now i have repeated this cycle 20 times and the patch always comes out very black
    Question, what am i doing wrong, or need to do, never had this issue before.
    am i wearing out the barrel....

    thanks for listening
     
  2. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Order some BoreTech CU+2. You have a very fouled barrel, probably both copper and powder. I didn't have good results with the MT extreme. Also I would not brush so much, just patch and maybe brush once or twice a session. Another thought is, if the brush is brass you might be pulling color off of it, but that should be blue. I use nickel coated jags too.

    Jeff
     
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  3. tom m.

    tom m. Well-Known Member

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    when u say montana bore cleaner, are u refering to the white pasty liquid? if so, yea, STOP, it is like iosso or jb,(or any paste) and will always show black.
    tom
     
  4. 300stw

    300stw Well-Known Member

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    montana extreme bore cleaner and copper killer....liquid,,,,never had acustom barrel turn so many patches black,,,
     
  5. trueblue

    trueblue Well-Known Member

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    Do you think it is coming off the cleaning rod itself?
     
  6. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    When I use a brush I use Nylon and I dont have to brush much. I use Butches Bores shine thats it.
     
  7. MSLRHunter

    MSLRHunter Well-Known Member

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    I agree with above, get either some bore tech eliminator or bore tech CU+2. These are the best solvents I have ever used and they won't hurt the barrell. Just make sure to use something other than a brass jag, the solvent will turn the patch a blue green color. I use a nylon jag that works pretty good
     
  8. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Spot on! I can't believe everyone is not using this cleaner by now. Read the product reviews form Midway

    Bore Tech Eliminator Bore Cleaning Solvent 16 oz Liquid - MidwayUSA

    Jeff
     
  9. johnnyk

    johnnyk Well-Known Member

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    I am currently out of Montana Extreme but when I used it I started out with Bore cleaner and would run a wet patch then a dry. After just couple, three wet patches the carbon gets gone. It also seems to take alot of the copper out of the barrel cause when I follow up with Copper Killer, it only takes 3-5 wet/dry patches (combos) and the barrel is clean.
    I read the reviews for the Bore Tech Eliminator and I may have to try that based on the claims of no smell. That should make "mama" happy. JohnnyK.
     
  10. 300stw

    300stw Well-Known Member

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    406pat Well-Known Member

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    I really like the foaming cleaners that are out there. Had one barrel that I just could not get a clean patch from no matter how many times I soaked and scrubbed. Used the foaming cleaner three times in a row and it was clean as could be!
     
  12. BUNDUKI

    BUNDUKI Well-Known Member

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    KG1 and KG12 in that order 1 will remove all the carbon fouling and 12 all the copper. its not ammonia basses so no time limit in the bore. after using this and checking the results with a bore scope i binned all the other cleaners/solvents i had.
     
  13. justgoto

    justgoto Well-Known Member

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    Before I shoot the rifle I will run a dry patch down the barrel to get excess oil out. I'll also clean the excess oil out of the chamber.

    ...Then I'll shoot the rifle...

    To clean I'll run 4 strokes of a brass brush soaked in alcohol, then run a dry patch through.

    I'll dilute Montana Extreme with Sweets or Shooters Choice, (or both,) then run 4 strokes of a nylon brush dipped in the copper remover solution. I'll let it set 2 minutes at the most, then run a dry patch through. Since I clean the copper out after 10-20 shots. That is all the copper solvent I use. From past experience I know it is clean or damn close to clean. I'll clean the chamber well with an oily rag.

    I'll dip the nylon brush in the alcohol, (both ends,) and run that through the bore, repeat that step mainly to get the copper solvent off, then set it aside to dry. Run 2 more passes of a brass brush soaked in alcohol, then dry patch it.

    Then I use oil with the brass brush, 4 strokes then dry patch, until clean. Usually takes 8 to 12 brass brush/oil strokes.

    Then a well oiled patch down the barrel and a oily rag in the chamber and just about where ever there is metal.

    ...

    Every 100 or so shots I will use straight Montana Extreme to get all the copper out, (just in case it gets built-up,) it usually takes 4 strokes with the nylon brush and one dry patch. I'll repeat until I see a fairly clean patch, usually takes 2 dry patches.

    I broke my barrel in and get next to no copper; and I've always used oil to clean my barrel of carbon, I see no need for fancy solvents. Maybe I am missing something?
     
  14. trueblue

    trueblue Well-Known Member

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    If we are going to start talking cleaners in this thread, TM Solutions needs to be mentioned.
    I use it exclusively, very rarely use any Sweets, don't need to. Have a friend with a borescope . Started checking my cleaning process at first to see how this stuff was doing. After using it for over 1 1/2 years my barrels are still spotless, no carbon rings. I never need to use a bronze brush either. Just use a jag and let it soak in the barrel and do its thing.