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<blockquote data-quote="devins" data-source="post: 712970" data-attributes="member: 27441"><p>OK, I have only been junting for about 44 years so I am not the most experienced guy on here. I grew up farming and raising hogs and cattle and can weld and make about anything you need. But I also have a doctorate degree in a healthcare field which includes about as much anatomy as anyone has short of a PHd in anatomy, a minor in chemistry and a bunch of physics. The point of all of that is you all are talking about why do so many different things happen under so many different circumstances and the answers are as diverse as the situations and my background.</p><p> </p><p>I have used 180 gr TTSX from my 308 Norma Magnum and taken 8 plains game animals in Namibia all with 1 shot kills other than the blue wildebeast that flung his head back right as i squeased off and his neck covered his shoulder and the shot broke his neck and I placed a follow up shot in his heart to hasten his head down. I took from impala to eland.</p><p> </p><p>OK now here is the deal. What do you want the bullet to do. I like to drop an animal in its tracks. double lung is not the way to do that with a FMJ. You need a boxing glove sized bullet hitting in the thoracic cavity to ensure that. Oh my gosh that ****ed somebody off because by dar they have double lunged animals and they dropped right in ther tracks with a .243 ballistic tip. Yes you did but it was not becasue of perforating the lungs. You accidentally perforated the ascending aorta. What? Well a fragment of the bullet or rib bone cut a hole in the major blood vessel leaving the heart above the valve that allows it to maintain pressure creating a leak and loss of pressure to the brain and instantaineous collapse. That is what we want. </p><p> </p><p>How do we do that consistantly? Shoot them in the brain as was done for many years when butchering cattle. My grandparents and parents butchered many after a single 22 LR shot to the head. That tends to not be a really good shot on game or messes up measuring your rack for the B&C record. So we can shoot them in the neck and severe or traumatize the spinal cord. Yes you find the animal and depending on size, of animal and projectile(and speed in other words the hammer you just whacked it in the neck with) it will be dead, in the process or you can follow up like I did on the wildebeast. But on a smaller animal and at longer range this can be a pretty small target.</p><p> </p><p>There are some good guys that advocate a high shoulder shot and I like there thinking. I was on a trip in '92 and watche my dad's bullet impact on a mule deer buck and for a vital shot I could not imagine it being placed any better, it was a definite double lunger. Yes and he ran off with the heard. I did not like all of that extra work. I had read an article about bullet construction and hitting the shoulder intentionally, OH Lord help us! Some one else just got ****ed. But I dropped my deer on that trip in its tracks hitting the shoulder. I was before the days of the High Shoulder shot but I was also only a little over 100 yards. </p><p> </p><p>I have seen a light jacketed bullet that I had seen friends use on broadside double lung shots that performed excellently and then another friend we were helping get his first deer, and the bullet skimmed along the outside of the ribcage and when I helped him fielddress the deer I confirmed this from inside the thoracic cavity, there were no perforations, the bullet did soft tissue damage only on the outside of the ribcage.</p><p> </p><p>I have been writing this between patients and the continuity could be better and I am done for the day and going to go sit in a deer stand and will pick this up later. Don't anyone get too mad yet and I will explain the rest.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="devins, post: 712970, member: 27441"] OK, I have only been junting for about 44 years so I am not the most experienced guy on here. I grew up farming and raising hogs and cattle and can weld and make about anything you need. But I also have a doctorate degree in a healthcare field which includes about as much anatomy as anyone has short of a PHd in anatomy, a minor in chemistry and a bunch of physics. The point of all of that is you all are talking about why do so many different things happen under so many different circumstances and the answers are as diverse as the situations and my background. I have used 180 gr TTSX from my 308 Norma Magnum and taken 8 plains game animals in Namibia all with 1 shot kills other than the blue wildebeast that flung his head back right as i squeased off and his neck covered his shoulder and the shot broke his neck and I placed a follow up shot in his heart to hasten his head down. I took from impala to eland. OK now here is the deal. What do you want the bullet to do. I like to drop an animal in its tracks. double lung is not the way to do that with a FMJ. You need a boxing glove sized bullet hitting in the thoracic cavity to ensure that. Oh my gosh that ****ed somebody off because by dar they have double lunged animals and they dropped right in ther tracks with a .243 ballistic tip. Yes you did but it was not becasue of perforating the lungs. You accidentally perforated the ascending aorta. What? Well a fragment of the bullet or rib bone cut a hole in the major blood vessel leaving the heart above the valve that allows it to maintain pressure creating a leak and loss of pressure to the brain and instantaineous collapse. That is what we want. How do we do that consistantly? Shoot them in the brain as was done for many years when butchering cattle. My grandparents and parents butchered many after a single 22 LR shot to the head. That tends to not be a really good shot on game or messes up measuring your rack for the B&C record. So we can shoot them in the neck and severe or traumatize the spinal cord. Yes you find the animal and depending on size, of animal and projectile(and speed in other words the hammer you just whacked it in the neck with) it will be dead, in the process or you can follow up like I did on the wildebeast. But on a smaller animal and at longer range this can be a pretty small target. There are some good guys that advocate a high shoulder shot and I like there thinking. I was on a trip in '92 and watche my dad's bullet impact on a mule deer buck and for a vital shot I could not imagine it being placed any better, it was a definite double lunger. Yes and he ran off with the heard. I did not like all of that extra work. I had read an article about bullet construction and hitting the shoulder intentionally, OH Lord help us! Some one else just got ****ed. But I dropped my deer on that trip in its tracks hitting the shoulder. I was before the days of the High Shoulder shot but I was also only a little over 100 yards. I have seen a light jacketed bullet that I had seen friends use on broadside double lung shots that performed excellently and then another friend we were helping get his first deer, and the bullet skimmed along the outside of the ribcage and when I helped him fielddress the deer I confirmed this from inside the thoracic cavity, there were no perforations, the bullet did soft tissue damage only on the outside of the ribcage. I have been writing this between patients and the continuity could be better and I am done for the day and going to go sit in a deer stand and will pick this up later. Don't anyone get too mad yet and I will explain the rest. [/QUOTE]
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