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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 161273" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>SES50,</p><p> </p><p>I try to be respectful of everyones opinion as they have the right to what ever they want to think. My problem lies in the fact that when others use their opinions to effect my life when those people have no idea what their opinions will do in the long run.</p><p> </p><p>I also do not understand the fasination with people that enjoy watching predators in the wild. Now watching a yote try to dig up a ground squirrel is pretty fun to watch. Watching a grizzly rip up old logs looking for grubs is also fun to watch........</p><p> </p><p>Watching a pack of wolves pull a calf elk out of its mother during birth is NOT FUN TO WATCH. Still, hundreds of out of staters will come to Montana, Wyoming and Idaho with their telephoto lenses for the simply purpose to watch this happen or to watch the wolves harrass the elk herds until a young one or old one falls out of the herd and then is taken by the pack.</p><p> </p><p>You need to watch a wolf pack kill big game. It is not FUN to watch, in fact it is rather sad. It is not fast by any means. Often the big game animal is still alive when the pack begins to feed on it.</p><p> </p><p>Mt lions are very efficent killers. They also do not kill more then they can eat. Once a wolf pack figures it can kill livestock much easier then wild game, it becomes a game. I have seen the results of two wolves wipe out an 30 sheep in one night. Only two of those sheep had anything eaten off them, the rest were just killed for sport.</p><p> </p><p>When that happens you have only one option for those wolve, severe lead poisoning. Even the government knows that and thats why the fed trappers are sent out to take care of the problem.</p><p> </p><p>Now I know all the bleeding hearts out there will say I need to buck up, this is just natures way, that may well be but realize this. Before the wolves were introduced, the game populations in Yellowstone, specifically the elk herds were thriving, actually getting to the troublesome stage with available forage for the herds and beginning to be a real pain in the rear for local ranchers. Why, because humanes were managing the herds and we did so so efficently that their numbers exploded.</p><p> </p><p>Then they introduce the wolves for the "PURPOSE" of herd population control. Only problem is that there is NO control to these wolves, they kill mainly the young of the herds as I mentioned before. WHen you have severe calf predation, it does not take to many years before you get a situation where your elk popuations get very old in age and when they start dieing off, there are no replacement cows for the herds to rebuilt. Populations numbers drop off dramatically.</p><p> </p><p>Also, when the elk herds leave the park trying to escape the pressure of the wolves, the packs simply fallow them out of the park onto private ground where they run into prime beef and sheep farms!!! Not only that, the deer populations increase as well. A whitetail of Muler deer stand little chance if a wolve pack decides that is what they want for dinner.</p><p> </p><p>The famous late season Garder hunt in south Montana on the Yellowstone boarder used to offer over 2000 either sex permits. Last I heard from a friend in the FWP of Montana, they were considering stopping this hunt all together simply because there were not enough elk to support it. I have also heard reports that the yellowstone elk herd is roughly 30% of what it was before the wolves were introduced while the bison population is exploding which was the original purpose for the wolves in the first place.</p><p> </p><p>Again, its out of staters that think they know how to solve our problems for us, mainly west and east coast libbers that have no clue at all how to correctly solve the problem and in fact create larger problems in the process. Still the people that live with the problem every day seem to never be heard on the subjects as long as some out of staters can take pictures of a calf elk being pulled from its mother during birth, I guess all is right in the world as that is how nature should be, BUNK!!!</p><p> </p><p>So how should we have fixed the problem with over population of wildlife, let hunters do it, pure and simple. Not only are we the most effective predator on the planet, we are also the most efficent and more importantly most respective of the game we hunt. We do not kill more then allowed. While many of us hunt for sport, we do not waste the meat from our kills. I know many who have no interest in wild game to eat but they love hunting and as such they donate the meat to less fortunate in the community or to local food banks. </p><p> </p><p>Its hard to recover a week old wolf kill to feed the poor!!! Even though alot of meat is wasted by wolf packs.</p><p> </p><p>So again, I do not want to be disrespectful of your opinion but until you see the real side of a wild predator and its effect on our big game, you really are not educated about the situation.</p><p> </p><p>Until you have seen a calf be pulled from its mother or a yearling calf seperated from the herd and partially eaten alive as it bauls for its herd or see a whitetail fan hammered by two coyotes as its mother desperately trys to fight them off. I have seen this, I have watched this and I have gladly hammered the hell out of those two coyotes that were on that fawn before they could mortally wound the fawn and I would do it every chance I get.</p><p> </p><p>Nature had its way, the dominate predator took over the land and the wolves lost that battle to a much more efficent predator. Why are we taking a step back in big game management practices and giving our precious big game herds to these inefficent killers that waste more game then they are worth.</p><p> </p><p>Natures was will also take care of the overpopulation of wolves as well. When all the big game populations drop so low that there is not enough game to feed them all, the wolf numbers will drop because of starvation. Then as the wolf numbers drop off, the big game numbers will recover and it will be a revolution over time. During which time, most hunting will be stopped because there is not enough game to support any hunting by humans for the sake of giving the wolves our big game.</p><p> </p><p>Again, I am not trying to offend but if you could sit and watch these thing happen and not want to stop it, well, its just hard for me to understand that.</p><p> </p><p>Would I pull the trigger on a wolf if I ran into one in the back country! I will plead the third "S" on that manner!!!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>You can feel what you want but the wolf is not the majestic predator you believe he is. That is liberal propaganda that must have worked because now we have wolves running all over hell in our three states.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry for the rant but if you had wolves in California you would feel differnetly, especially when those hard to get big game permits dropped in number but 70% over the last 10 years. </p><p> </p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 161273, member: 10"] SES50, I try to be respectful of everyones opinion as they have the right to what ever they want to think. My problem lies in the fact that when others use their opinions to effect my life when those people have no idea what their opinions will do in the long run. I also do not understand the fasination with people that enjoy watching predators in the wild. Now watching a yote try to dig up a ground squirrel is pretty fun to watch. Watching a grizzly rip up old logs looking for grubs is also fun to watch........ Watching a pack of wolves pull a calf elk out of its mother during birth is NOT FUN TO WATCH. Still, hundreds of out of staters will come to Montana, Wyoming and Idaho with their telephoto lenses for the simply purpose to watch this happen or to watch the wolves harrass the elk herds until a young one or old one falls out of the herd and then is taken by the pack. You need to watch a wolf pack kill big game. It is not FUN to watch, in fact it is rather sad. It is not fast by any means. Often the big game animal is still alive when the pack begins to feed on it. Mt lions are very efficent killers. They also do not kill more then they can eat. Once a wolf pack figures it can kill livestock much easier then wild game, it becomes a game. I have seen the results of two wolves wipe out an 30 sheep in one night. Only two of those sheep had anything eaten off them, the rest were just killed for sport. When that happens you have only one option for those wolve, severe lead poisoning. Even the government knows that and thats why the fed trappers are sent out to take care of the problem. Now I know all the bleeding hearts out there will say I need to buck up, this is just natures way, that may well be but realize this. Before the wolves were introduced, the game populations in Yellowstone, specifically the elk herds were thriving, actually getting to the troublesome stage with available forage for the herds and beginning to be a real pain in the rear for local ranchers. Why, because humanes were managing the herds and we did so so efficently that their numbers exploded. Then they introduce the wolves for the "PURPOSE" of herd population control. Only problem is that there is NO control to these wolves, they kill mainly the young of the herds as I mentioned before. WHen you have severe calf predation, it does not take to many years before you get a situation where your elk popuations get very old in age and when they start dieing off, there are no replacement cows for the herds to rebuilt. Populations numbers drop off dramatically. Also, when the elk herds leave the park trying to escape the pressure of the wolves, the packs simply fallow them out of the park onto private ground where they run into prime beef and sheep farms!!! Not only that, the deer populations increase as well. A whitetail of Muler deer stand little chance if a wolve pack decides that is what they want for dinner. The famous late season Garder hunt in south Montana on the Yellowstone boarder used to offer over 2000 either sex permits. Last I heard from a friend in the FWP of Montana, they were considering stopping this hunt all together simply because there were not enough elk to support it. I have also heard reports that the yellowstone elk herd is roughly 30% of what it was before the wolves were introduced while the bison population is exploding which was the original purpose for the wolves in the first place. Again, its out of staters that think they know how to solve our problems for us, mainly west and east coast libbers that have no clue at all how to correctly solve the problem and in fact create larger problems in the process. Still the people that live with the problem every day seem to never be heard on the subjects as long as some out of staters can take pictures of a calf elk being pulled from its mother during birth, I guess all is right in the world as that is how nature should be, BUNK!!! So how should we have fixed the problem with over population of wildlife, let hunters do it, pure and simple. Not only are we the most effective predator on the planet, we are also the most efficent and more importantly most respective of the game we hunt. We do not kill more then allowed. While many of us hunt for sport, we do not waste the meat from our kills. I know many who have no interest in wild game to eat but they love hunting and as such they donate the meat to less fortunate in the community or to local food banks. Its hard to recover a week old wolf kill to feed the poor!!! Even though alot of meat is wasted by wolf packs. So again, I do not want to be disrespectful of your opinion but until you see the real side of a wild predator and its effect on our big game, you really are not educated about the situation. Until you have seen a calf be pulled from its mother or a yearling calf seperated from the herd and partially eaten alive as it bauls for its herd or see a whitetail fan hammered by two coyotes as its mother desperately trys to fight them off. I have seen this, I have watched this and I have gladly hammered the hell out of those two coyotes that were on that fawn before they could mortally wound the fawn and I would do it every chance I get. Nature had its way, the dominate predator took over the land and the wolves lost that battle to a much more efficent predator. Why are we taking a step back in big game management practices and giving our precious big game herds to these inefficent killers that waste more game then they are worth. Natures was will also take care of the overpopulation of wolves as well. When all the big game populations drop so low that there is not enough game to feed them all, the wolf numbers will drop because of starvation. Then as the wolf numbers drop off, the big game numbers will recover and it will be a revolution over time. During which time, most hunting will be stopped because there is not enough game to support any hunting by humans for the sake of giving the wolves our big game. Again, I am not trying to offend but if you could sit and watch these thing happen and not want to stop it, well, its just hard for me to understand that. Would I pull the trigger on a wolf if I ran into one in the back country! I will plead the third "S" on that manner!!!:D You can feel what you want but the wolf is not the majestic predator you believe he is. That is liberal propaganda that must have worked because now we have wolves running all over hell in our three states. Sorry for the rant but if you had wolves in California you would feel differnetly, especially when those hard to get big game permits dropped in number but 70% over the last 10 years. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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