Bad Brass? Please help.

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by 400Bullelk, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. 400Bullelk

    400Bullelk Active Member

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    I am shooting a 300 rum, and shooting 93 grains of 7828ssc, 200 grain nos accubond. 3300 fps, <1" groups. Everything is going well, on about every 6th bullet I am seeing extractor marks, very light. Shot about 15 rounds through it on Saturday, on the 16th round the empty case got stuck??? Pulled the bolt back and the brass stayed?? Any suggestions on what caused this. Using Remington brass.

    Thanks,

    Don.
     
  2. bweber

    bweber Well-Known Member

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    Hi Don,

    If you are getting a 200gr bullet to go 3300fps in a 300RUM this must be a pretty hot load. (So, in general I would watch for pressure signs -this sounds like possibly the first.) But I'm not particularly familiar with that round.

    It sounds like the cases are overexpanding and fusing to the chamber? Maybe others can chime in here, but you might try a more robust case. I'm not as familiar with the Remington cases. But I know that the Winchesters (at least the ones I've tried in my 300wsm) are on the soft side, and I would guess the Remingtons are similar. I've just ordered a batch of Norma cases. I know from the ones I've used in my 270wby that they tend to be harder and stand up to more punishment. They're more expensive, but a stuck case while hunting could really suck.

    I'd also be tempted to take it to a good gunsmith and have him check and, if neeeded, polish the chamber. I've never had it happen to me, but I've heard reports of burrs left behind by chambers that have been reamed by a sloppy smith. The soft brass can fuse to those burrs and get stuck, making extraction sticky or worse.


    Ben
     
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  3. royinidaho

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    Hmmmmm a couple of tho'ts:

    It would seem that you are very near or a bit over the max pressure for the load. FPS is directly proportional to pressure (well kind of) and any variation at all at the general pressure area you are shooting could put things over the edge.

    I don't understand what you mean by "Extractor marks"? You didn't mention which action you are using, I would suppose its a Remington? If its a Remington it has a pretty poor example of an extractor if you pulled the bolt back and the case stuck?

    I've had to "hammer" the bolt back a tap or two with whatever tool was handy and the case never stuck.

    I'd recommend backing off a couple of grains of the 7828SC and get the velocity down to about 3100 max and go from there.

    Just my thinkin......
     
  4. Stormrider

    Stormrider Well-Known Member

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    You might consider reducing your charge weight a little bit. It sounds to me like you are having pressure problems.
     
  5. jwp475

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    Exactly...........
     
  6. alexkeyser

    alexkeyser Well-Known Member

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    I thought the norma brass was softer? In my weatherby 30-378 w/ 210 berger VLD's, I get sticky results around 3300fps.(actually 3270fps.) using 110gr. retumbo. Not every shot, but if I don't wait long enough between shots it seems to happen a little more. I backed the load down to 108 gr. @ 3205 fps., plenty for me, and they group better besides! 5/8" consistently @ 108yards.(just happens to be where I set the bench up this spring,oops)
     
  7. dbhostler

    dbhostler Well-Known Member

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    400,

    Just a thought, I ran your info on a loading program called Quick Load and you are in the 83,538 psi range. The Max pressure for this load is 64,977 psi. You might want to back off.

    db
     
  8. steve smith

    steve smith Well-Known Member

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    400,

    I've experienced the same thing in my 270x300RUM.
    I would definitely say that it is directly related to high pressure.

    Personaly, I've not loaded for the 300, but I would choose a powder with a slower burn rate than 7828.

    Something more along the lines of Hodgdon Retumbo, H50BMG, US869, AA8700, or some surplus WC872.

    Just a thought.


    As for the marks, they are from the ejector pin hole. As the brass deforms under high pressure it flows back into the hole just slightly. When you open the bolt, it shears off what ever brass has flowed into the hole. Hence the shiny circle.
     
  9. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Bad brass

    Bullelk

    That is a tough load and if your getting extractor marks(the round extractor
    plunger leaves a round brite place on the brass it is very hot and as the
    rifle warms up it get's worse.

    I recomend backing off like the others said.

    This time of the year all load's are hotter to some degree so be very careful.

    J E CUSTOM