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Anyone using the Horus Reticle?
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<blockquote data-quote="cummins cowboy" data-source="post: 592396" data-attributes="member: 28348"><p>BV, you have drank the horus cool aid. does the system have merit, yeah, is it the be all end all long range system for hunters I say no. I just revisited their site and watched some videos etc. FOR SOME REASON ITS LIKE THE TACTICAL CROWD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THERE ARE TURRETS THAT ARE PRINTED WITH THE RANGES FOR YOUR TAILORED LOAD. I have no idea why this is lost on that segment of the shooting public. I look over at snipers hide all the time and none of those guys I have seen are running printed turrets like that. one would think after years of the marines running the unertls they would like BDC turrets, because that scope only came as a BDC turret setup. and you used the veneer adjustment to add or take away .5 moa at a time from the marked turret. actually IMO a pretty clever system but for the outdated mildot reticle. maybe its because tactical guys aren't typically big into reloading like the hunters are with most running factory ammo. many might not even own a chronograph. the point is, tactical guys can learn from what we use and we can learn from some of their equipment and practices. </p><p></p><p>no I have not bought into the graybull cool aid, but what they do offer is a setup or pieces of the puzzle that when combined with a good shooter and good equipment makes for a simple setup. I would encourage you to visit their site and look at their reticle it has 1 moa wind hold offs, if you look carefully these hold offs are also marked on the turret. its all right on the turret you don't get out software or range cards. if you are going to be shooting in different situations then yeah you better know what effects those have. OR one can simply just change out the turret. BTW playing around on JBM I proved what I have already been saying the difference between shooting an animal at 5000 feet and 10000 feet with JBM's default load looks to me like 308 load is .7 moa difference. which since the horus reticle is divided into .2 mil hashes is less than ONE hash mark!!!!!! further playing with temperature at 700 yards I adjusted it to 80 degrees then down to 15 degrees the difference was .1 MOA, (that surprised me) </p><p></p><p>next angle compensation, the horus reticle has the same problem. you have to know the adjusted range or the adjusted hold. This can be accomplished several ways which I will not go into. the easiest being swaro's new el range binocs which give a corrected range. and you just dial the corrected lesser range. the horus reticle does not have an advantage that I can see with inclined shots. both systems must know either the corrected range or the corrected elevation amount. I would argue with rangefinders already having this feature that show the corrected range that this more easily interfaces with a marked BDC turret. </p><p></p><p>the horus system looks combersome with the PDA system that hooked to an RF unit. one also has to ask what happens if the PDA isn't working to spit our software or you forgot the range card. no range card no hunting, I used to use a range card taped to my stock and then just dial the range with a standard unmarked turret. its a way slower system than a marked one. </p><p></p><p>next wind, of course this must be judged by experienced shooters, both systems need practice and time on range. also at long ranges your load better be shooting and tested to at least 500 yards. working up a load that works for that requires IMO a very in depth knowledge or reloading. both the horus and the dial and hold for wind systems have the same weakness, the shooter must accurately judge wind hold. </p><p></p><p>lastly on the horus video they act like oh just change out the scope to a different gun and start shooting. problem is they act like the scope does not have to be rezeroed to that rifle. the same can be done with a standard turret scope, just rezero and change out the marked turret.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cummins cowboy, post: 592396, member: 28348"] BV, you have drank the horus cool aid. does the system have merit, yeah, is it the be all end all long range system for hunters I say no. I just revisited their site and watched some videos etc. FOR SOME REASON ITS LIKE THE TACTICAL CROWD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THERE ARE TURRETS THAT ARE PRINTED WITH THE RANGES FOR YOUR TAILORED LOAD. I have no idea why this is lost on that segment of the shooting public. I look over at snipers hide all the time and none of those guys I have seen are running printed turrets like that. one would think after years of the marines running the unertls they would like BDC turrets, because that scope only came as a BDC turret setup. and you used the veneer adjustment to add or take away .5 moa at a time from the marked turret. actually IMO a pretty clever system but for the outdated mildot reticle. maybe its because tactical guys aren't typically big into reloading like the hunters are with most running factory ammo. many might not even own a chronograph. the point is, tactical guys can learn from what we use and we can learn from some of their equipment and practices. no I have not bought into the graybull cool aid, but what they do offer is a setup or pieces of the puzzle that when combined with a good shooter and good equipment makes for a simple setup. I would encourage you to visit their site and look at their reticle it has 1 moa wind hold offs, if you look carefully these hold offs are also marked on the turret. its all right on the turret you don't get out software or range cards. if you are going to be shooting in different situations then yeah you better know what effects those have. OR one can simply just change out the turret. BTW playing around on JBM I proved what I have already been saying the difference between shooting an animal at 5000 feet and 10000 feet with JBM's default load looks to me like 308 load is .7 moa difference. which since the horus reticle is divided into .2 mil hashes is less than ONE hash mark!!!!!! further playing with temperature at 700 yards I adjusted it to 80 degrees then down to 15 degrees the difference was .1 MOA, (that surprised me) next angle compensation, the horus reticle has the same problem. you have to know the adjusted range or the adjusted hold. This can be accomplished several ways which I will not go into. the easiest being swaro's new el range binocs which give a corrected range. and you just dial the corrected lesser range. the horus reticle does not have an advantage that I can see with inclined shots. both systems must know either the corrected range or the corrected elevation amount. I would argue with rangefinders already having this feature that show the corrected range that this more easily interfaces with a marked BDC turret. the horus system looks combersome with the PDA system that hooked to an RF unit. one also has to ask what happens if the PDA isn't working to spit our software or you forgot the range card. no range card no hunting, I used to use a range card taped to my stock and then just dial the range with a standard unmarked turret. its a way slower system than a marked one. next wind, of course this must be judged by experienced shooters, both systems need practice and time on range. also at long ranges your load better be shooting and tested to at least 500 yards. working up a load that works for that requires IMO a very in depth knowledge or reloading. both the horus and the dial and hold for wind systems have the same weakness, the shooter must accurately judge wind hold. lastly on the horus video they act like oh just change out the scope to a different gun and start shooting. problem is they act like the scope does not have to be rezeroed to that rifle. the same can be done with a standard turret scope, just rezero and change out the marked turret. [/QUOTE]
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