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Any last ditch effort advice on this 338 Edge?
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<blockquote data-quote="Coyboy" data-source="post: 378357" data-attributes="member: 3733"><p>I think the guys who said it's a bad tube hit the nail.</p><p></p><p>You've screwed with it for a year and it's not shooting, thats a long time to mess with a custom barrel, I think you gave it it's all. Not to mention the time and money of components used up in futility.</p><p></p><p>The fact of life is every barrel maker is at the mercy of the steel mill that makes the steel. The mill will provide the maker all the factual data about the bar stock but bad stuff still gets in the hands of the barrel makers. It's then on the barrel makers inspection and testing process, if they have one.</p><p></p><p>If the steel machines poorly or warps when contouring it is obvious there is a problem to the barrel maker, now it's up to him to scrap it return it or try and pass off some barrels from it. In that case the smith then gets shanked as well because he's going to be redoing a rifle for little to nothing in replacing the bad tube.</p><p></p><p>In a perfect world some one would make perfect barrels and every one would use only that barrel. I think this is the reason some barrel makers fall in and out of favor with the shooting market. A very large run of steel takes a while to use up. if it's medioker steel that may be just how the barrels perform.</p><p></p><p> I have had a couple barrels from different makers shoot in the 1- 1 1/2 moa range. They get replaced, chambered on the same reamer and put on the same action and then shoot sub 1/2 moa with the new barrel. </p><p></p><p>I have also noticed that the poor shooters tend to foul bad compared to the good tubes. This could be caused my hardness issues or a multitude of other metalurgical issues that I am not versed in. In every case I played with the rifles and the results were similar to the customers. </p><p></p><p>I have only had 2 barrels actually turn around and shoot one was my my personal 7 rum. I pulled the barrel and relapped it, cut and crown ect. and it helped some. It shot 3/4 moa so I figured I would keep it on till it shot out. Well after about 200 rounds the gun turned around and started shooting really well, just too bad it was nearing it's half life in longjevity.</p><p></p><p>My suggestion(barring all the litle thing already mentioned about box bind, bedding amunition quality and scope issues) is if it's fouling baddly after 50-60 rounds with a half dozen good cleanings under it's belt, or after trying a half dozen known accuracy loads for the cartrige and still no luck it's time to let the smith now the problem. You could be helping him out as well if he has a few more barrels from the same lot to instal on others guns. likwise if the gun is a hammer he would like to know so may-be he can order some more barrels from the same manf. and lot number.</p><p></p><p>After 100 rounds most likly if the results are poor they are unlikly to turn around.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyboy, post: 378357, member: 3733"] I think the guys who said it's a bad tube hit the nail. You've screwed with it for a year and it's not shooting, thats a long time to mess with a custom barrel, I think you gave it it's all. Not to mention the time and money of components used up in futility. The fact of life is every barrel maker is at the mercy of the steel mill that makes the steel. The mill will provide the maker all the factual data about the bar stock but bad stuff still gets in the hands of the barrel makers. It's then on the barrel makers inspection and testing process, if they have one. If the steel machines poorly or warps when contouring it is obvious there is a problem to the barrel maker, now it's up to him to scrap it return it or try and pass off some barrels from it. In that case the smith then gets shanked as well because he's going to be redoing a rifle for little to nothing in replacing the bad tube. In a perfect world some one would make perfect barrels and every one would use only that barrel. I think this is the reason some barrel makers fall in and out of favor with the shooting market. A very large run of steel takes a while to use up. if it's medioker steel that may be just how the barrels perform. I have had a couple barrels from different makers shoot in the 1- 1 1/2 moa range. They get replaced, chambered on the same reamer and put on the same action and then shoot sub 1/2 moa with the new barrel. I have also noticed that the poor shooters tend to foul bad compared to the good tubes. This could be caused my hardness issues or a multitude of other metalurgical issues that I am not versed in. In every case I played with the rifles and the results were similar to the customers. I have only had 2 barrels actually turn around and shoot one was my my personal 7 rum. I pulled the barrel and relapped it, cut and crown ect. and it helped some. It shot 3/4 moa so I figured I would keep it on till it shot out. Well after about 200 rounds the gun turned around and started shooting really well, just too bad it was nearing it's half life in longjevity. My suggestion(barring all the litle thing already mentioned about box bind, bedding amunition quality and scope issues) is if it's fouling baddly after 50-60 rounds with a half dozen good cleanings under it's belt, or after trying a half dozen known accuracy loads for the cartrige and still no luck it's time to let the smith now the problem. You could be helping him out as well if he has a few more barrels from the same lot to instal on others guns. likwise if the gun is a hammer he would like to know so may-be he can order some more barrels from the same manf. and lot number. After 100 rounds most likly if the results are poor they are unlikly to turn around. [/QUOTE]
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