Any experience with a Nosler 120 Ballistic tip (.284")

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Supertrucker, Feb 23, 2009.

  1. Supertrucker

    Supertrucker Well-Known Member

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    Pushed around 3300 fps from a 280 Ackley to be specific.

    What is this bullet capable of? Max range on deer/antelope/black bear/elk?

    I've never cross sectioned one myself, but have heard on many occasions it has a thicker jacket than the 140 Ballistic tip.

    This bullet is scary accurate in my 280AI..........all groups with this bullet and H4831sc are in the .156"-.210" range. For comparisons, the 140's (Ballistics and Accubonds) are a consistant 1/2" group. I know I'm probably being a little anal in the accuracy department, but with those 120's I feel I could "shoot a hummingbird in the lips".
     
  2. Ridge Runner

    Ridge Runner Well-Known Member

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    would be ok on deer/antelope, stay off the shoulder on shots with impact above 2900 fps, would go to a heavier better constructed bullet for elk/bear, 140 at the least and I would use an accubond.
    RR
     

  3. 308

    308 Well-Known Member

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    I would want a little more bullet weight for deer sized game but the bullets are typical nosler quality.

    I ran them right at 3600 in a 7RM sendero and wanted them to be crow detonaters like my friends 6mm with 70 grain nbt at 3700.

    While they killed the crows very dead I did not get the explosiveness I wanted, however on armadillos they were quite impressive.

    I would think in your 280ai they would be THE! coyote bullet and like ridge runner said you prob would not have any trouble as long as you stay off the shoulder on deer and antelope. 308
     
  4. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    They will surprise you how well they work.

    There best operating velocity is 1800 to 3000 ft/sec and guess what your velocity @ 100 yrds
    is 3061 and at 700 yrds it is 1857 ft/sec. (perfect) !!

    I use the 120gr Ballistic tip in my 7/08 and performance is outstanding.

    They are at there best with soft tissue shot placement (Behind the sholder) especially at longer
    distances.

    I did not have as good a result using the 140 gr ballistic tip ,But I was not able to get the
    velocity that you can in the 280.

    Most of the guys I know that have a 280 use the 160gr accubond and love it.

    I use the 120 on everthing from a turkeys head to 300+ pound hogs and have never been
    anything but amazed at what it will do .

    If you like high shoulder shots then I would recomend the Accubond to minimize meat damage.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  5. remingtonman_25_06

    remingtonman_25_06 Well-Known Member

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    The jacket is not any "thicker" on the 120g vs. 140g. The jacket from the 140g is used for the 120g, so they are essentially the same jacket.

    I dont know why, but the 7mm 120g bullet just doesn't seem to intrigue me for big game purposes. I think the 140g is the cats butt for 7mm and deer/lope, you'll never get me to switch to the 120g

    With that said, the 120g NBT "should" be every bit as good as the 140g NBT. You should be good to deer and lope to around 800 yards.

    I wouldn't even THINK about using this bullet for bear or elk. Thats just asking for trouble and one of the very reasons why you have so many people hating ballistic tips, because of this very reason, people using the wrong bullet, for the wrong job....Where do you see anyone using a 7mm 120g bullet for elk, let alone a ballistic tip???? Is this a trick question or what??

    If you want to use NBT's for bigger game (elk/bear,) you at least owe it to the animal to use the heaviest one available for the caliber which would be the 150g NBT, not the lightest 120g NBT, to perform to the best of its ability. This way you reduce the risk of hitting the animal and watching it run away from a surface wound because you used a varmint bullet on a big game animal, then you get pised and swear off nosler NBT's and start bad mouthing them all over the place because you didn't use common sense, or the correct bullet for the task at hand.

    Not saying your one of these people, but there are many many out there who use the wrong weight of NBT for the task at hand, then go bad mouthing them all over town and internet how bad they suck, bloodshot meat, yadda yadda, when it was there own fault in the first place.
     
  6. buzzgun

    buzzgun Well-Known Member

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    From the 24hr Campfire board. Steve Timm, retired gunwriter, on the 7mm 120 grain ballistic tip:

    (24hourcampfire: Steve Dogzapper Question on 120 BT)

     
  7. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    After reading buzzguns post I had to settle this issue for my self.

    I am and allways have been suprised by the performance of the 120gr ballistic tip so
    I decided to prove it once and for all.

    This is the way I did the test.

    First I cut a piece of 1 and 1/2" stainless pipe 1 inch long.
    Then after sand blasting a 120gr and a 140gr NBT I placed them on a piece of granite
    protected by release agent .

    Then I placed the piece of stainless pipe over the two bullets.

    Next I mixed up some devcon and carefully poured the devcon in the pipe and coverd
    the bullets.

    After cureing I placed the specimen in my lathe and started facing it off .005" of an inch
    at a time to keep it cool and not disturb the bullet or the core.

    After cutting almost half way through I took demensions using a 6x magnifier and a electronic
    vernier.

    I had expected to find a thicker base on the 120 but they were the same(0.152 avg).

    Next the wall thickness in 3 different locations. the readings for the 120 was 0.053avg and
    the 140 was 0.041 avg.

    After getting these readings I faced the test specimen down to the center line of the both
    bullets for my finial readings.

    The 120 wall deminsions were 0.043 avg and the 140 was 0.031 avg.

    So the 120 gr NBT definitely has a 0.010 thousandth thicker jacket than the 140gr NBT.
    By 20 + percent.

    This test explaines a lot to me and puts the debate to sleep as far as I am concerned.

    I know it was long winded but I wanted to make this test as accurate as possible and
    unbiased.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  8. Supertrucker

    Supertrucker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for taking the time to do that. I'd be interested in the same test comparing a 140 Accubond to the 120 Nosler Ballistc tip. Probably no comparison.....but it could be eye opening.
     
  9. johnnyk

    johnnyk Well-Known Member

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    That was an interesting test J E. I'd like to know how the 120 and 150 gn Ballistic Tips stack up as far as jacket thickness goes. I shoot the 7mmRM and have always used the 150gn. I tried the 120's years ago but just for target shooting and was not impressed with them and the way the wind blew them around at 500yds. They were accurate though. JohnnyK.